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Salamence (Full Revamp)
- Thread starter Great Sage
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Absolutely not on Aqua Tail.
Why you ask?
First off, I wouldn't call Rhyperior common. The only Rhyperior I see in OU are Rock Polish variants (372 HP / 296 Def), who are 2HKO'd by +1 Earthquake (even with Solid Rock). Furthermore, they are OHKO'd on average by a +1 LO Outrage and almost always with Stealth Rock. Now, even in the situation of a highly defensive Rhyperior (434 HP / 394 Def) Aqua Tail doesn't even OHKO on average.
Basically, Rhyperior is no where near common enough to give up Earthquake to even consider it for a slash. It can fit fine it Set Comments.
Why you ask?
First off, I wouldn't call Rhyperior common. The only Rhyperior I see in OU are Rock Polish variants (372 HP / 296 Def), who are 2HKO'd by +1 Earthquake (even with Solid Rock). Furthermore, they are OHKO'd on average by a +1 LO Outrage and almost always with Stealth Rock. Now, even in the situation of a highly defensive Rhyperior (434 HP / 394 Def) Aqua Tail doesn't even OHKO on average.
Basically, Rhyperior is no where near common enough to give up Earthquake to even consider it for a slash. It can fit fine it Set Comments.
*Cough*. I resent this statement... slightly. But I have to agree here: Aqua Tail is really only useful on something like the Choice Band set when locking into Outrage seems to be a bad idea. Though the SubPerior set, recalling off the top of my head, isn't always 2HKOed by Earthquake from Salamence.
Just wondering two things about the Salamence analysis:
Why isn't Dragon Claw a fourth option on the first set next to Stone Edge and Fire Blast? With mag support, Dragon + Ground is still fantastic coverage. Dragon Claw will allow mence to take out frail shit before you have to Outrage. Usually I lure out Outrages on purpose by throwing out something that can't be hit with Ground Moves that mence has to lock himself into. Outrage can serve as the "nuke" to manhandle physical walls.
Also, why isn't the second version of mixmence listed somewhere? We've mentioned it countless times. I still see people using the Draco Meteor, Fire Blast, Brick Break, Roost varient, and thats fine. But at least give the other version its own set:
Draco Meteor, Outrage, Earthquake, Flamethrower.
Why isn't Dragon Claw a fourth option on the first set next to Stone Edge and Fire Blast? With mag support, Dragon + Ground is still fantastic coverage. Dragon Claw will allow mence to take out frail shit before you have to Outrage. Usually I lure out Outrages on purpose by throwing out something that can't be hit with Ground Moves that mence has to lock himself into. Outrage can serve as the "nuke" to manhandle physical walls.
Also, why isn't the second version of mixmence listed somewhere? We've mentioned it countless times. I still see people using the Draco Meteor, Fire Blast, Brick Break, Roost varient, and thats fine. But at least give the other version its own set:
Draco Meteor, Outrage, Earthquake, Flamethrower.
Great Sage
Banned deucer.
Ugh, for some reason I can't bring myself to finish this. Caelum's taking over this, he'll start a new thread soon.
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