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With you
I don't understand this argument about "typhlsion is choiced in order to 3hko the entire tier, and there's no way a choiced Pokemon is broken"
You don't have to predict with Typh to 3hko everything, but that doesn't mean that you can't. That's the bad thing about Typhlosion being in the meta. You need prediction to make progress with a choice user? Who would have thought?
Eruption 3hkos the entire tier anyways. But you can predict that and ohko with Hidden Power or whatever coverage and instantly kill a "counter". The prediction game is entirely skewed because Typhlosion needs to only predict once if they so feel like doing, and you've removed one of the 2 things that can tank a eruption on the opposing team. But Typhlosion player can always decide to "play it safe" and just spam eruption which 3hkos something anyways, then whatever "check" they brought in is basically too low to do anything else anymore. There's no reason to predict, and not predicting him will still give him a fair bit of advantage, but predicting right just once will put you so massively ahead that you'll basically win the game because there's no more switch into Typhlosion anymore.
I agree that there are a few checks to Typhlosion, but the problem isn't that you need to have 1 of those 7-8 Pokemon, you need to have 2 out of those 8. And many of them have terrible synergies anyways, so basically all balance teams look the same. All offense teams need mostly 100+ base speed Pokemon. There's a reason everyone is using Tauros or Sneasel or Archeops. If you use Zangoose instead, have fun losing a Pokemon every time you get a kill with Zangoose.
And I'm also tired of these "Typhlosion can't directly switch into anything!" arguments. That's why U-turns and Volt Switch exists. And usually when I bring typh in like that, it gets a kill every time it's out. And unlike Camerupt which also similarly gets a kill every time it's out, it outspeeds a lot of the tier. At least when I get a "free kill" with Megarupt at least the opponent can do like 30% to me and hopefully chip me down. You can't even do that with Typh. Also a lot of the things that outspeed are one of those super frail and not as wallbreaky Pokemon, and they can't even OHKO Typhlosion. lol.
w/e
You don't have to predict with Typh to 3hko everything, but that doesn't mean that you can't. That's the bad thing about Typhlosion being in the meta. You need prediction to make progress with a choice user? Who would have thought?
Eruption 3hkos the entire tier anyways. But you can predict that and ohko with Hidden Power or whatever coverage and instantly kill a "counter". The prediction game is entirely skewed because Typhlosion needs to only predict once if they so feel like doing, and you've removed one of the 2 things that can tank a eruption on the opposing team. But Typhlosion player can always decide to "play it safe" and just spam eruption which 3hkos something anyways, then whatever "check" they brought in is basically too low to do anything else anymore. There's no reason to predict, and not predicting him will still give him a fair bit of advantage, but predicting right just once will put you so massively ahead that you'll basically win the game because there's no more switch into Typhlosion anymore.
I agree that there are a few checks to Typhlosion, but the problem isn't that you need to have 1 of those 7-8 Pokemon, you need to have 2 out of those 8. And many of them have terrible synergies anyways, so basically all balance teams look the same. All offense teams need mostly 100+ base speed Pokemon. There's a reason everyone is using Tauros or Sneasel or Archeops. If you use Zangoose instead, have fun losing a Pokemon every time you get a kill with Zangoose.
And I'm also tired of these "Typhlosion can't directly switch into anything!" arguments. That's why U-turns and Volt Switch exists. And usually when I bring typh in like that, it gets a kill every time it's out. And unlike Camerupt which also similarly gets a kill every time it's out, it outspeeds a lot of the tier. At least when I get a "free kill" with Megarupt at least the opponent can do like 30% to me and hopefully chip me down. You can't even do that with Typh. Also a lot of the things that outspeed are one of those super frail and not as wallbreaky Pokemon, and they can't even OHKO Typhlosion. lol.
w/e