Why do people think Christianity is better than Islam?

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Why do you, people? In the basics, the sources are same. In fact one is ~580 years more recent than the other. Aren't there any christian terrorists? Why don't people call the Jewish racist blindly? Isn't their book nearly as racist as Mein Kampf?

I just wanna know.

I'm Muslim, I'm a Socialist, I'm a feminist (what the fuck are all these women doing up in the kitchen?), I support abortion, pre-marriage sex, usage of birth control pills and condoms. Are these thoughts actually against Quran?

Educate me Deck Knight.
 
Well, I'm not deck knight but I'd say the answer is pretty simple there are two factors:

Situation - You are in a society that has more problem with Muslim terrorists than Christian ones (assuming you're in America) or "The West." The Twin towers sticks in peoples minds, it was a huge event, if you were somewhere else in the world (perhaps the middle east), Pakistan etc... You would find people are more muslim friendly, but they will not want to frattenise with extremist muslims

Recent Events - I could go on for hours about this, but simply put 9/11 is less far back to look than the crusades.

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I thought this was a Firebot thread at first >_>.

Anyway, I think both religions are pointless (as is socialism for that matter), however, your question is very simple to answer. People always think what they believe is best.
 
Well, I'm not deck knight but I'd say the answer is pretty simple there are two factors:

Situation - You are in a society that has more problem with Muslim terrorists than Christian ones (assuming you're in America) or "The West." The Twin towers sticks in peoples minds, it was a huge event, if you were somewhere else in the world (perhaps the middle east), Pakistan etc... You would find people are more muslim friendly, but they will not want to frattenise with extremist muslims

Recent Events - I could go on for hours about this, but simply put 9/11 is less far back to look than the crusades.

~ Gold
Why are the Muslim-pretending terrorists considered Muslim? The book doesn't have a sentence like "Kill the innocent" anywhere, so the terrorists shouldn't be recognized as muslim terrorists as Satanists don't recognize the one-time comers as Satanists =/

Is it just misconception?

I thought this was a Firebot thread at first >_>.

Anyway, I think both religions are pointless (as is socialism for that matter), however, your question is very simple to answer. People always think what they believe is best.
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I don't know.
I think Islam is vilified - and yes, it's repressive towards women.. because it is being practiced by authoritarian, misogynist regimes.
The Bible is absolutely no better, condoning rape and all that jazz.

Christians in America [a lot of them] are no better towards women.
 

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Just because these "extremist" terrorists call themselves muslims doesn't mean that we should label them as such. Their actions go against he Holy Quran and have no place in Islam, which ironically means "peace".
 
Everyone thinks Muslims are the ones that set up such things. How do you know it was Muslims that made the twin towers fall? What if it was Bush? (lol)
 

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I don't know.
I think Islam is vilified - and yes, it's repressive towards women.. because it is being practiced by authoritarian, misogynist regimes.
The Bible is absolutely no better, condoning rape and all that jazz.

Christians in America [a lot of them] are no better towards women.
I agree, Saudi Arabia and Iran have basically the same stance on women's rights as America.
 

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The only people who think one religion is better/superior to another is a poorly misguided, ignorant shit of a person. All religions serve the same purpose: to explain the unexplainable. You can't arbitrarily say one religion is better than another, like they had an arm-wrestling contest or something.

To answer your question, the people who think that strike me as "Christian" zealots, blinded by bigotry and on the same moral ground as those "Muslim" zealots who crashed the planes.
 
akuchi actually Islam isn't much repressive towards women. It's just the Arabic who mixed the religion with their traditions. (and before Islam the Arabic were much worse in the same perspective)

And in Turkey, women's right to vote were given very early; "even though" Turkey was considered as an Islamic country until 1924.
 
All religions, as far as I can tell, are kinda shitty about women.
Emphasis placed on virginity? Women as mercandia? Condoning rape? Check.
 
Just because these "extremist" terrorists call themselves muslims doesn't mean that we should label them as such. Their actions go against he Holy Quran and have no place in Islam, which ironically means "peace".
The "extremist" are in all actuality the only Muslims actually doing what they have been taught.

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/cruelty/long.html

Have fun, there's a gold mine of hate in that book; couldn't be much further from a message of peace.
 
Akuchi beat me to it. On the same site you posted there is a link on the sidebar for cruelty and violence in the Bible. It actually has more entries (886) than the the page for the Quran (520.)
 
The "extremist" are in all actuality the only Muslims actually doing what they have been taught.

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/cruelty/long.html

Have fun, there's a gold mine of hate in that book; couldn't be much further from a message of peace.
There is 'cruelty' and 'violence' is [probably] in every religious text. And like Kojax pointed out, the Bible has more.

And they aren't being 'taught' to kill people, some people take it much more literally than others. Most of those examples that I read are saying that disbelievers will be doomed, etc. Not, 'You should kill all disbelievers' and taking it into your own hands. That's just the way I interpreted it, as not all Muslims are extremists.

Onto the original topic, it's all about ignorance bigots. People who can't except other religions and whatnot. Maybe posters said this better than I did before, so I'll just leave it at that.
 
Oh, goody. I hoped someone would ask that.

on blasphemy;

Say to the people of Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished. Anyone who blasphemes the LORD's name must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel. Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD's name will surely die.
(Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)

on religion;

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

on women [there's a lot on women]

Give no woman power over you to trample upon your dignity. (Sirach 9:2 NAB)

A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

Genesis 19:5-8:
They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so
that we can have sex with them."
Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing. Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But don't do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof."

Deuteronomy 22:20-21:
If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the girl's virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door of her father's house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done a disgraceful thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father's house. You must purge the evil from among you.

1 Corinthians 14:34:
Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in
submission, as the Law says.

“Man born of woman…Who can bring what is pure from the impure? No one!” Job 14:1-4

"For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. For this reason, and because of the angels, the woman ought to have a sign of authority on her head;" 1 Corinthians 11:9, 10.

“…women should remain silent in churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission...” 1 Corinthians 14:34

“Wives submit to your husbands, as is fitting to the Lord.” Colossians 3:18

dude. you know what?
GENESIS
2:22 Eve created from Adam's rib.
3:16 Cursed with painful childbirth and domination by husband.
4:17 Cain marries sister?
4:19 Man marries two wives.
12:13-19 Abraham prostitutes wife.
19:1-8 Rape virgin daughters instead of male angels.
19:26 Lot's wife turned into pillar of salt for disobeying god.
19:30-38 Lot impregnates his two daughters while drunk. (So much for "family values"!)
20:2-12 Abraham prostitutes wife - again.
25:1-6 Keeping many concubines is OK.

EXODUS
20:17 Wife as property.
21:4 Wife and children belong to master.
21:7-11 OK to sell daughters. Female slaves can be used for sex.
Polygamy permitted. Unwanted female slaves can be set "free" without payment of money.
22:18 Kill witches.

LEVITICUS
12:1Childbirth a sin, Women unclean after childbirth.
15:19-32 Menstruating women are unclean.
20:10-16 Death penalty for homosexuality and various sexual transgressions.
21:7 Priests must not marry prostitutes or divorcees.
21:9 Burn daughters.
21:13-14 Priest must marry virgin, not "used" woman.

NUMBERS

1:2 Census lists only men - women do not count.
5:11-31 Fidelity test for women only.
30:1-16 Woman's vow invalid unless approved by her father or husband.
31:17-18 Kill all except virgins. Keep virgins for yourselves.
CH 12 Miriam punished for rebuking Moses.

DEUTERONOMY
20:14 Take women, livestock as plunder.
22:13-21 Stone non-virgin bride.
22:23-24 Stone rapist and rape victim.
22:28 Rape victim must marry rapist; rape victim's father compensated for depreciation of his property.
25:11-12Cut woman's hand for touching foe's penis.
24:1-5 Man can "send" wife from HIS house. Man must not marry "used" woman.
28:18 The FRUIT of your womb will be cursed - eclectic "pro-life" verse!

JUDGES
5:30 Women are spoils of war.
14:20 Samson gives wife to another man.
16:1 Samson visits prostitute.
CH 19 Concubine pack-raped and butchered.
21:10-12 Slaughtered all inc. women and children. Saved virgins for wives.
21:21 Abducted girls for wives.

RUTH
Ruth shags Boaz.

1 SAMUEL
15:2-3 Attack Amalekites, kill men, women, children and livestock.
22:19 Kill all inc. infants and livestock.
21:4-5 Men avoid defilement with women.

2 SAMUEL

5:13 David took many wives and concubines.
CH 13 Ammon rapes his own sister.
16:21-22 Absalom sleeps with his father's concubines.
6:20-23 Mischal punished with bareness.

1 KINGS

11:3 Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines.

2 KINGS

9:30-37 Brutal murder of Jezebel.

2 CHRONICLES
15:13 Put to death unbelievers.
11:21 Hoards of wives and concubines.

ESTHER
CH 1-2 Queen Vashti dethroned for disobedience; setting "bad" example to all other women.

PSALMS
51:5 Sinful since conception.
127:3 Sons are heritage from god.
137:9 Seizes infants and dashes them against rocks.

PROVERBS
CH 5 Beware of wicked women!
CH 7 More of the above.
6:24 As above.
31:3 Do not waste strength on women.

ISAIAH
3:16-26 Lord punishes haughty women.
4:4 Filthy women.
13:16 Ravish wives, dash infants.
19:16 Will be like women! (insult to Egyptians)

EZEKIEL
9:6-7 Slaughter all including children.
CH 16 Prostitutes, stoning, promiscuity...
CH 23 Tale of two adulterous sisters - reads like the script of a pornographic film. I bet you weren't told this story at Sunday school!

HOSEA
13:16 Rip pregnant women, dash little ones. (Another "pro-life" verse!)

NAHUM
3:4... wanton lust of a harlot... prostitution... witchcraft.
3:5 I will lift your skirts over your face!
3:13... Your troops are all women. (insult to Nineveh)

MATTHEW
5:32 Husband can divorce wife for adultery. Can wife divorce husband for the same?
CH 25 Sexist tale of ten virgins.

LUKE
2:22 Mary must be purified after birth of Jesus.
2:49 Jesus rebukes his mother.

I CORINTHIANS

11:2-10... Woman created for man.
14:34 Women must be silent in churches.

EPHESIANS

5:22-24 Wives must submit to husbands in everything.

COLOSSIANS

3:18 Wives submit to husbands.
3:22 Slaves must obey masters in everything.

I TIMOTHY

2:11-15 Woman must not have authority…she must be silent. Women can be saved with childbearing.
5:9-10 Widows should be faithful to husband and must wash saints' feet.

1 PETER

2:18 Slaves submit to masters, even masters who are harsh.
3:1 Wives submit.
3:5-6 Sarah calls husband master.

REVELATION

CH 17 Destroy great prostitute.
14:4...they did not DEFILE themselves with women but kept themselves pure.

just look them up. honestly.


http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/int/long.html

 
First of all West this seems as if it's going towards hate thread and secondly Hitler's book is called Mein Kampf. Also when you say the jewish "book" do you mean the Pentateuch cause if so then that's just the first five books of the Bible. I don't know maybe your original post was just unclear to me, it would help if you elaborated your argument more so I could give an actual answer.
 

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“Man born of woman…Who can bring what is pure from the impure? No one!”


oh that's good. Making it my project to use it in a real life situation.
 
First, just for the record, Im not religious one way or the other these days, I just wanted someone to back up what they were spouting off with, I wasnt implying I beleived RandomNoob to be wrong, just was curious if he actually had any reference for his claims

The (many) references about sexism towards women, you have to take into account that the Bible was written by man, the culture of those times (and all times virtually up until the 1900's), that was the way mankind was, with women seen as little more then property in most cases. Obviously many of the instances were pretty bad when looked at through our current culture and society, but thats Just how things were. the "They did not defile themselves with women, but kept themselves pure", has nothing to do with anything against women. Its simply going in accord with 'Dont have sex before marriage', if it had been talking about women and said "They didnt not defile themselves with men, but kept themselves pure", nobody would care would they?

90% of your points were things that Man did, just because they are in the Bible doesnt mean that they should reflect on God, The whole thing about Christianity, is supossed to be about Forgiveness, not Perfection, which most people fail to realize or never knew.


This is all not to say that I dont disagree/dislike things or mindset that the Bible and Church people beleive and such.
 
That "Skeptic's Annotated Bible" website's list of cruelty in the Bible isn't very good. It's so very easy to take things in the bible out of context, or "ctrl-F" violent words. First, most of it is simply someone's take on things. They link to the verses, but let me remind you that the lists are not the actual verses.

Let's take the first presented example of cruelty in the Bible, "Because God liked Abel's animal sacrifice more than Cain's vegetables, Cain kills his brother Abel in a fit of religious jealousy." Remember, this is the line from the website, not the Bible. There is no translation that says "a fit of religious jealousy". At least none that I can find. And Cain's act of murder wasn't ordered or condoned by God. He was punished for his sin.

I'm not going to go through every single one, but some (a lot) of these are so bad that I don't know if they "strengthen" any argument as much as shine a spotlight on the bias. So before you use them to cut down the Bible, read the actual verse it came from, and take a look at the context. I don't want to get into this argument very deeply, but please, to those of you using that website for your arguments... please do your own research.
 
Christians in America [a lot of them] are no better towards women.
well now that's just a little silly

and people think christianity is better than islam because they were born into a christian society instead of an islamic society
 

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Why do you, people? In the basics, the sources are same. In fact one is ~580 years more recent than the other. Aren't there any christian terrorists? Why don't people call the Jewish racist blindly? Isn't their book nearly as racist as Mein Führer?

I just wanna know.

I'm Muslim, I'm a Socialist, I'm a feminist (what the fuck are all these women doing up in the kitchen?), I support abortion, pre-marriage sex, usage of birth control pills and condoms. Are these thoughts actually against Quran?

Educate me Deck Knight.
There really needs to be less "isms" in the world. If you want to drop one, I suggest Socialism. Socialists make Islamists (who are not Muslims) look like school girls. It is a vile religion where the state is God, and God compels you to do what The Party tells you. if the Party kills your family, it is OK, because eventually utopia and deliverance is coming. Got to crack a few skulls before you get to utopia, you see. Hope and Change, you see. Ignore the blood, the right inmates just haven't run the asylum yet.

I'm not an Islamic scholar, and don't claim to be. Might want to check out Robert Spencer.

Most social policy in Christianity and Islam is derived from the same principles: respect for human life in all its forms and stages, the inherent dignity of humanity, and the divine calling to serve your friend and neighbor. From what little I know of Islam, they have a lot more restrictions on day-to-day behavior that Christianity has mostly abandoned. Their prayer lives are much more structured, as are their social customs.

Are there Christian terrorists? There are terrorists who claim to be Christians, but they certainly are not following Christian teaching if they are terrorists. Same as Islamist terrorists.

The problem with Islam is it is like Protestantism. You have a million different teachers teaching a million different things. The more radical sects of Islam, like the Wahabbists, believe that blowing up other Muslims, Christians, the kuffar(non Muslims), and basically everyone who doesn't practice their brand of Islam is a legitimate interpretation of jihad, or holy war.

Christianity also has a concept of just war, but Christianity is balanced out by a central authority, The Catholic Church. The Catholic Church has always been strong on calling out heretical teachings, at least until recently, and even when Martin Luther posted his 95 theses, much of his doctrinal positions were the same. Lutherans and Catholics are almost indistinguishable these days, theologically speaking. When some "Christian" acts out of line, if his own congregation doesn't do it, someone in the Catholic Church will call them out using centuries of theological data.

Furthermore, there are no leaders of Christian nations giving weekly addresses calling for the death of all Jews like Armageddonjad in Iran.

Christianity isn't necessarily "better" than Islam. It just has better public representatives. Most Muslims will not cut your throat, and most Christians will not condemn you to hell. The radicalism in both religions goes in two different directions, Islam towards global theocracy and Christianity towards secular autocracy. Radical Muslims want a government run by imams and radical Christians want charity to be imposed by a dictatorial decree.

As far as modern femisnism akuchi?

Femininity and traditional feminine leanings considered inherently bad
Innate gender differences are purposefully ignored
Prostitution and pornography portrayed as positive
Family portrayed as bad, secondary to career/money
Killing children in your own womb considered a sacred right
Unrelenting hatred of males
Unrelenting hatred of Christianity
Constant victim mentality (I am woman, hear me whimper about a man's world while proclaiming my very breath is an accomplishment!)

Please, modern feminism is a crock. A whore is a whore, and feminism is a whore. Feminists are all just a bunch of shorter, weaker, louder, more annoying male wannabes. Real men, conservative and liberal alike, laugh at feminists. They are a bunch of silly, angry little harpies, who simply haven't gotten the smacking they deserve because men are too busy laughing at them to do it.

Look at Bill Clinton. He singlehandedly set the feminist movement back at least a decade because all the harpies lined up behind him. Bill knew that at the end of the day, they were weak, loose, easy women who needed womanizers like Bill around to occasionally throw them a bone. They wanted the license that he took. They wanted to be Bill Clinton, simultaneously a whore free of responsibility and the most powerful person in the free world.

And yes akuchi, when you want to act like the annoying little man, you should expect a punch to the jaw. That's what a man would get for that kind of crap. Don't you want to be treated like a man? Oh, but not the nasty, mean, reality inducing parts, like the dangerous jobs, shit hours, the constant insults by stupid feminist harpies, the expectation that you will either work or die whether you are sick or not whether you have family obligations or not. Feminists want all the perks of being a man with none of the shit. They are spoiled brats. Equal Pay Day is in April, Equal Death Day (the day where female deaths from work equal the male deaths from the last year) is in late November.

Know your place akuchi (yes, I do dare say that). You aren't a man, you never will be, and you will never comprehend what it is like to be a man. You get to live in your world of fantasy as the big britches biatch and never have to suffer for it. I don't give a shit if you call me "sexist." You think slaughtering children in an organ designed for nurturing them is a great advancement for women. That is truly, truly backward, and the original feminists, the one's who gave women the right to vote, knew that too.

Also akuchi, you don't know anything about the Bible. You accept any criticism of it as Gospel, no matter how ridiculous on its face. The Bible condones rape? I'd ask you why you were so ignorant of Christianity, but then I remember you're a feminist. Willful ignorance of reality comes with the territory.
 
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