Scarf or Band?Yeah, you are right BurningMan, changing. Also, added Staraptor as a teammate.
And thx for the check Colonel M!
Sleep Talk doesn't give priority to Brave Bird.Hmm.. how about Sleep Talk in the last slot in the Choice Band set? If for some reason you switch into a Sleeping move.
I'd say it's more of a signal of how its last slot really isn't necessary at all.. though, the Will-o-Wisp is an interesting surprise factor, I'd probably typically U-turn to try to keep Talonflame safe in the first place instead (would be nice to hit Gliscor with the Will-o-Miss on the switch-in though)
Well, with Adamant 252 Speed, you still outspeed base 110s (though Scarf users outspeed), which is most of the unboosted tier and you could end up surprising them if they try to setup. Biggest thing is that I find that slot isn't particularly important no matter what you run, and Sleep Talk would still cause you to deal damage with any of its 3 attacking moves.Sleep Talk doesn't give priority to Brave Bird.
I can slash it if it's useful idk. Tbh, i have almost never used the move on the last slot, so we might as well slash a move there that has some atual usefulness. Outside of Garchomp, what else is it useful for? Kyu-B's Outrage?
I wouldn't use this set because if you don't find the opportunity to Natural Gift, Talonflame won't be able to revenge anything with priority. This set also needs three turns to set up, which a good opponent will not let you do (Flame Charge + Natural Gift + SD). You would have to rely upon the opponent having something weak to natural gift too in order to make sure Talonflame isn't OHKO'ed in the process of setting up.I've been using this set with relative success in wi-fi, not sure about how does it adapt in showdown metagame:
Talonflame @ Liechi Berry / Sitrus Berry
Adamant nature
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 Spe (252 HP if lv.50 [185 HP], 248 if lv.100 [359 hp]
-Flame Charge
-Acrobatics
-Swords Dance
-Natural Gift / Roost
Also.. the calculations you used for Rotom, the most common set runs Def positive nature with max HP/Def.. Also why is it 248+ Att? Shouldn't it be 252+? ._.I've been using this set with relative success in wi-fi, not sure about how does it adapt in showdown metagame:
Talonflame @ Liechi Berry / Sitrus Berry
Adamant nature
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 Spe (252 HP if lv.50 [185 HP], 248 if lv.100 [359 hp]
-Flame Charge
-Acrobatics
-Swords Dance
-Natural Gift / Roost
Objective: With those HP EVs and no recoil moves, Talonflame makes itself mildly bulky, as calculations posted above already had shown it. While it lacks in raw power, it does have a nice niche in late-game cleaning, specially with a way to boost speed for those fast opponents who resist his Flying STAB
Idea: Send Talon into something it threatens, then Flame Charge. It hits 435 speed at lv.100, enough to outpace most scarfers and would-be threats (namely Scarf Rotom-W, which I've seen more often than ever), only to be hit for a powerful 100BP grass move, AND activate Acrobatics side-effect doubling damage, making it as appealing as Brave Bird, being almost as strong, but without recoil.
Unfortunately, I have to lure Rotom and weaken it a bit before, because...
248+ Atk Talonflame Flame Charge vs. 6 HP / 0 Def Rotom-W: 31-37 (12.8 - 15.2%)
248+ Atk Talonflame Natural Gift (100 BP Grass) vs. 6 HP / 0 Def Rotom-W: 166-196 (68.5 - 80.9%) -- missing the 2HKO by an inch
(obviously, if I sense by any way that Rotom isn't scarfed, I can SD and start from there)
Ok, i can do that.sharp beak 3 atks needs a non-ac mention. as in, roost 3 atks. can this be made a set, or slashed into something somehow? the set is worthy of more than an ac mention for sure.
in 'moves' of sd/bu mention boosting move + stabs + u-turn (works somewhat like u-turn sd scizor).
What does 132 Speed EVs or 124 HP EVs accomplish? I put it in the calculator, and 132 Speed is enough to outrun fully invested base 96 Pokemon... if those were to exist.I'm not QC, but can I suggest something:
NEVER run max speed on Talonflame. On the Choice Band and SD sets I suggest running an EV spread of 124 HP / 252 Atk / 132 Speed
Especially on choice band, I want to outrun Jolly Mega Pinsir so I can brave bird before he quick attacks. Sure with hp evs it doesn't OHKO with +2 QA, but recoil damage can lead to double downs or just plain losing to Pinsir. That needs 208 spe EVs and you are left with 48 (assuming fully invested atk).I'm not QC, but can I suggest something:
NEVER run max speed on Talonflame. On the Choice Band and SD sets I suggest running an EV spread of 124 HP / 252 Atk / 132 Speed