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Approved by Raseri, taken over from Blast and his thread here
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Standard and common sets are generally effective. After all, that's why they're common and standard. But sometimes a less-common set can be effective. In fact, brand-new sets can be quite effective as well. This thread is for new and creative movesets that can be quite effective, as well as old movesets that have fallen out of favor but have become quite effective in the NU metagame.
What is a new and creative, good moveset?
I'll be archiving sets I think are good enough to be included in the Hall of Fame down below, so make sure your post counts
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Example Post from Finchinator :
Rotom @ Spell Tag
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Shadow Ball
- Will-O-Wisp
- Volt Switch
- Hex
This is the Rotom set I've been using on a couple of builds recently (specifically, on my teams vs FLCL for week two of SPL and Cased for week four of SPL) (PS: To those who asked, yes I did lie about the Rotom set I used week two so I could use it again in the future). Unfortunately, it didn't get much time to shine in either of those games, but Vileman and ium can confirm that this set is often effective.
With ground type SR users / special tanks (think Stunfisk, Rhydon, and even Torterra) being so common in the current metagame, having a pokemon that can render them, more or less, useless if things go well is really helpful. The idea behind this Rotom is to bluff choice (specs or scarf), Will-O-Wisp something like Stunfisk, Rhydon, Hariyama, Quagsire, etc. and then Hex them for a ton of damage. At worst, they switch out once burnt or don't take a ton from Hex and are still crippled and weakened while at best, the threat is totally neutralized thanks to Rotom. This opens up a path for some sweepers to clean late game that appreciate these pokemon gone. Specifically, I think Klinklang is the best partner as it cannot do much of anything with Stunfisk or Quagsire still alive, but most teams lack secondary answers to Klinklang and if they have them, then they're not solid counters like these grounds are. Other pokemon that can synergize well with this Rotom (in terms of taking advantage of the pokemon it cripples) are: Zangoose, Scyther, Mawile, and Bouffalant (sure there are others, but these just are off the top of my head). I elected to use Spell Tag (it's a clone of Spooky Plate for those who don't know what Spell Tag does) as it can help bluff Specs with Shadow Ball, bluff Scarf with Volt Switch, and power up Hex/Shadow Ball when I need them to hit pokemon hard enough. I know people like Cased and others have used Sub+Wisp+Hex in the past and I'm sure other variations of Hex+Status Rotom have been toyed around with, but I feel as if this is the best and surprisingly most uncommon variant of it in the metagame, so I encourage people who are curious to try it out and see how it does for them. In the Hide tags below I will post some many relevant calcs to show the effectiveness of this set.
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I'll start going through the old thread and re-picking sets that I feel work in this meta
Creative Sets
Underrated Sets
Viable Gimmicks
Banner would be appreciated
Standard and common sets are generally effective. After all, that's why they're common and standard. But sometimes a less-common set can be effective. In fact, brand-new sets can be quite effective as well. This thread is for new and creative movesets that can be quite effective, as well as old movesets that have fallen out of favor but have become quite effective in the NU metagame.
What is a new and creative, good moveset?
- It successfully pulls off a role, and is not strictly outclassed by others.
- It takes advantage of metagame trends.
- It has had some success. Post replays / logs to strengthen your case.
- It is an existing set that for whatever reason isn't common.
- Its use is meant to prey on specific facets of the metagame.
- It might be able to surprise and demolish Pokemon that normally counter the usual sets, but does not become a gimmick in order to do so.
- Using a Pokemon that has no business being used in NU, for the sake of using it in NU.
- Movesets that are inferior and ineffective compared to existing movesets, or use an obscure move for the sake of hitting an even more obscure check or counter.
- Movesets that are utterly impractical or are horribly outclassed by another Pokemon.
- You must test your set before posting it here. Don't post something just because it "might" work, post it because it does.
- Include a readable format and description for all sets, explain what it does and why it's worth running in the metagame.
- Don't post joke or troll sets, this is for serious and competitive sets only.
- YOU MUST INCLUDE REPLAYS SHOWCASING THE SET
I'll be archiving sets I think are good enough to be included in the Hall of Fame down below, so make sure your post counts
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Example Post from Finchinator :
Rotom @ Spell Tag
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Shadow Ball
- Will-O-Wisp
- Volt Switch
- Hex
This is the Rotom set I've been using on a couple of builds recently (specifically, on my teams vs FLCL for week two of SPL and Cased for week four of SPL) (PS: To those who asked, yes I did lie about the Rotom set I used week two so I could use it again in the future). Unfortunately, it didn't get much time to shine in either of those games, but Vileman and ium can confirm that this set is often effective.
With ground type SR users / special tanks (think Stunfisk, Rhydon, and even Torterra) being so common in the current metagame, having a pokemon that can render them, more or less, useless if things go well is really helpful. The idea behind this Rotom is to bluff choice (specs or scarf), Will-O-Wisp something like Stunfisk, Rhydon, Hariyama, Quagsire, etc. and then Hex them for a ton of damage. At worst, they switch out once burnt or don't take a ton from Hex and are still crippled and weakened while at best, the threat is totally neutralized thanks to Rotom. This opens up a path for some sweepers to clean late game that appreciate these pokemon gone. Specifically, I think Klinklang is the best partner as it cannot do much of anything with Stunfisk or Quagsire still alive, but most teams lack secondary answers to Klinklang and if they have them, then they're not solid counters like these grounds are. Other pokemon that can synergize well with this Rotom (in terms of taking advantage of the pokemon it cripples) are: Zangoose, Scyther, Mawile, and Bouffalant (sure there are others, but these just are off the top of my head). I elected to use Spell Tag (it's a clone of Spooky Plate for those who don't know what Spell Tag does) as it can help bluff Specs with Shadow Ball, bluff Scarf with Volt Switch, and power up Hex/Shadow Ball when I need them to hit pokemon hard enough. I know people like Cased and others have used Sub+Wisp+Hex in the past and I'm sure other variations of Hex+Status Rotom have been toyed around with, but I feel as if this is the best and surprisingly most uncommon variant of it in the metagame, so I encourage people who are curious to try it out and see how it does for them. In the Hide tags below I will post some many relevant calcs to show the effectiveness of this set.
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I'll start going through the old thread and re-picking sets that I feel work in this meta
Creative Sets
Offensive Explosion Garbodor from Blast
Toxic Klinklang from Chef Rice
Chesto Skuntankk from Brawlfest
Grass Knot Liepard from Punchshroom
Work Up Tauros from iplaytennislol
Life Orb Xatu from Zebraiken
Choice Band Cacturne from -Davon
Sub Pass Floatzel from erisia
Doublade Dance Sawsbuck from Realistic Waters
Choice Band Hariyama from Silver Aurum
Taunt Pawniard from The Goomy
Future Sight Musharna from ~Eternally
Toxic Klinklang from Chef Rice
Chesto Skuntankk from Brawlfest
Grass Knot Liepard from Punchshroom
Work Up Tauros from iplaytennislol
Life Orb Xatu from Zebraiken
Choice Band Cacturne from -Davon
Sub Pass Floatzel from erisia
Doublade Dance Sawsbuck from Realistic Waters
Choice Band Hariyama from Silver Aurum
Taunt Pawniard from The Goomy
Future Sight Musharna from ~Eternally
Underrated Sets
Viable Gimmicks
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