So between priority, speed control, things that +1 Sally can't OHKO, and burns you are saying redirection has no relevance to why these may not work as well as they should?no salamence is fucking gay it has nothing to do with jirachi u get in a position where u can DD and ur opponent has to basically sack whatevers in to a Dedge/Return to prevent u from getting a DD or its gG because ur +1/+1 and nothing outspeeds u and everything dies i HATE this fucking "mence+jirachi" meme that was never the case in reality
edit: that being said im fine with a rachi suspect as my previous posts suggest
My arguments aren't that we should do both at the same time, so sorry if I was misleading there (I can definitely see why you would think that). My general opinion is the Jirachi is broken and Salamencite isn't, but I agree doing both simultaneously would be very pushy. What I am proposing is that we first suspect Rachi, and assuming it were to get banned, I feel unbanning Salamencite should definitely be the next suspect afterwards (and is very considerable to say the least). The main purpose of my post was to point out that I feel Salamencite was banned for reasons that Jirachi should be getting banned instead.I don't understand why the two has to be done together. Double suspects are bad and it never works. Especially with 2 Pokemon that just flip the metagame just by existing. Only double suspects that 'work' are when there are more than 1 thing that just needs to leave the meta ASAP regardless of what happens, to the point that suspecting 1 and the other doesn't do anything other than waste everyone's time. It might be OK to consider a Jirachi suspect, and if it changes the metagame to a point that a Salamencite unban could be warranted, then it might be considered. But doing both at the same time is just recipe for disaster.
As stratos said, a Jirachi suspect isn't as horrible idea as unbanning salamencite along with it is. There's not much supporting evidence to show that Salamencite would be balanced in a non-Jirachi metagame.
what does this mean, things are banned when they are brokenYou know, I just had a general question I wanted to ask right here:
I'm fully aware that things that are deeply broken in singles are fine here. That said, if something is as broken in doubles (say, broken = 75) as would be necessary to ban it in singles, would it be banned in doubles?
And yes to reiterate I know that broken means different things here and there and there isn't exactly an objective, numerical way to measure 'broken'. Still, I'd like an answer if anyone has one.
You literally can't just Fermat's Last Theorem this thread like this. Like, there are no size limits, there's no reason NOT to post this marvelous proof/essay of yours and it's counter-productive to contest that's it's not broken without backing up what you're saying. Personally I also think Mega Mence should be given more of an opportunity to be viewed as broken/not but if you have some argument, there's no reason NOT to share it? Idc if you have to quote previous posts or outline what you feel is unaddressed, you should do that. Doing it in PS chat (as you're doing right now as Colbrushie asks you for it) literally makes no sense. That discussion can just as easily happen right here in this thread, where it will be recorded, quotable, and visible.I guess I'll weigh in because I think my opinion may hold some sway around here
- Mega Salamence isn't broken. It just is not. If you want an essay from me you can ask me on PS or something. That being said, it's not getting unbanned at this point (thanks for that one guys!) so we might as well drop it.