Aragorn the King
Literally a duck
Approved by Alexwolf
Art by boxofkangaroos | Original Thread by Magnemite
The purpose of this thread is to educate newer players about which Pokemon and sets are good, which Pokemon and sets aren't, and why. This will ultimately lead to a better playerbase. Here is an example of how you should format your responses:
Don't use this:
Salamence @ Life Orb
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 64 Atk / 252 Spd / 192 SAtk
Naive Nature
- Outrage
- Draco Meteor
- Earthquake
- Fire Blast
Why it's bad:
While MixMence was an absolute monster in previous generations, it has fallen from grace in XY. Its coverage, which was once considered unwallable, now leaves it unable to break some of the most common walls in OU, such as Sylveon, Clefable, or Togekiss. In addition, Salamence's once highly sought-after power is now a bit lackluster for OU standards. In addition, there are now quite a few Pokemon that completely outclass it. One such example is...
Instead, use this:
Kyurem-Black @ Life Orb
Ability: Teravolt
EVs: 252 SAtk / 56 Atk / 200 Spd
Mild Nature
- Roost
- Fusion Bolt
- Earth Power
- Ice Beam
Why it's better:
Kyurem-B is everything MixMence ever hoped it could be and more. It is an absolute terror to stall teams, with its great coverage, sky-high base 170 and 120 mixed attacking stats, and excellent ability in Teravolt, all of which allow Kyurem-B to be one of the greatest wallbreakers in OU. Its Teravolt ability lets it bypass Mega Venusaur's Thick Fat and Rotom-W's Levitate to be able to 2HKO both of them. It's no slouch against offensive teams, either. It has the coverage to rip through Landorus-T, Gliscor, Azumarill, and Togekiss, while it has the raw power to break Clefable and Sylveon. All of these Pokemon can cause Salamence major issues, while Kyurem-B has little trouble with any of them.
Art by boxofkangaroos | Original Thread by Magnemite
The purpose of this thread is to educate newer players about which Pokemon and sets are good, which Pokemon and sets aren't, and why. This will ultimately lead to a better playerbase. Here is an example of how you should format your responses:
Don't use this:
Salamence @ Life Orb
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 64 Atk / 252 Spd / 192 SAtk
Naive Nature
- Outrage
- Draco Meteor
- Earthquake
- Fire Blast
Why it's bad:
While MixMence was an absolute monster in previous generations, it has fallen from grace in XY. Its coverage, which was once considered unwallable, now leaves it unable to break some of the most common walls in OU, such as Sylveon, Clefable, or Togekiss. In addition, Salamence's once highly sought-after power is now a bit lackluster for OU standards. In addition, there are now quite a few Pokemon that completely outclass it. One such example is...
Instead, use this:
Kyurem-Black @ Life Orb
Ability: Teravolt
EVs: 252 SAtk / 56 Atk / 200 Spd
Mild Nature
- Roost
- Fusion Bolt
- Earth Power
- Ice Beam
Why it's better:
Kyurem-B is everything MixMence ever hoped it could be and more. It is an absolute terror to stall teams, with its great coverage, sky-high base 170 and 120 mixed attacking stats, and excellent ability in Teravolt, all of which allow Kyurem-B to be one of the greatest wallbreakers in OU. Its Teravolt ability lets it bypass Mega Venusaur's Thick Fat and Rotom-W's Levitate to be able to 2HKO both of them. It's no slouch against offensive teams, either. It has the coverage to rip through Landorus-T, Gliscor, Azumarill, and Togekiss, while it has the raw power to break Clefable and Sylveon. All of these Pokemon can cause Salamence major issues, while Kyurem-B has little trouble with any of them.
Don't use this:
Gallade (M) @ Galladite
Ability: Steadfast
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Close Combat
- Zen Headbutt / Psycho Cut
- Shadow Sneak
- Swords Dance
Use this:
Gallade (M) @ Galladite
Ability: Steadfast
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Close Combat
- Zen Headbutt / Psycho Cut
- Knock Off
- Swords Dance
Don't use this:
Jolteon @ Life Orb
Ability: Volt Absorb
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Thunderbolt
- Signal Beam
- Hidden Power Ice
- Volt Switch
Instead, use this:
Raikou @ Assault Vest
EVs: 252 SpA / 32 SpD / 224 Spe
Timid Nature
- Thunderbolt
- Volt Switch
- Hidden Power Ice
- Extrasensory / Shadow Ball
Don't use this:
Steelix @ Steelixite
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Toxic / Earthquake
- Roar / Dragon Tail
- Heavy Slam
Instead, use this:
Aggron@ Aggronite
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Toxic / Thunder Wave
- Roar / Dragon Tail
- Heavy Slam
Don't use this:
Vaporeon @ Leftovers
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 200 HP / 252 Def / 56 SpD
Calm Nature
- Wish
- Protect
- Scald
- Baton Pass / Toxic / Roar / Heal Bell
Use this instead:
Alomomola @ Leftovers
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 32 HP / 224 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Wish
- Protect
- Scald
- Toxic/Knock Off
Don't use this:
Audino @ Audinite
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD
Bold Nature
- Wish
- Protect
- Heal Bell
- Dazzling Gleam
Use this:
Chansey (F) @ Eviolite
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpD
Bold Nature
- Toxic
- Seismic Toss
- Soft-Boiled
- Heal Bell
Don't use this:
Milotic @ Leftovers
Ability: Marvel Scale
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
Bold Nature
- Scald
- Recover
- Ice Beam
- Toxic
Use this:
Alomomola @ Leftovers
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 36 HP / 220 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
- Wish
- Protect
- Scald
- Toxic / Knock Off
Don't use this:
Florges (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Flower Veil
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
- Aromatherapy
- Moonblast
- Protect
- Wish
Use this:
Sylveon @ Leftovers
Ability: Pixilate
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
- Hyper Voice
- Heal Bell
- Wish
- Protect
i swear to god if i see one more ninjask
(PLEASE) Don't use:
Ninjask @ Focus Sash
Trait: Speed Boost
EVs: 252 HP / 224 Def / 32 Spe
IVs: 0 Atk
Timid Nature
- Swords Dance / Harden
- Protect
- Baton Pass
- Substitute
Use this instead:
Scolipede @ Leftovers
Trait: Speed Boost
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Swords Dance / Iron Defense
- Substitute
- Baton Pass
- Protect / Megahorn
Don't use this:
Donphan @ Leftovers
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- Rapid Spin
- Toxic
Use this:
Hippowdon @ Leftovers
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature
- Earthquake
- Stealth Rock
- Whirlwind
- Slack Off
Don't use this:
Use these instead:
Don't use this:
Heliolisk @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Dry Skin
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Thunderbolt
- Hyper Voice
- Surf
- Volt Switch
Use this:
Raikou @ Choice Specs
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- HP Ice
- Thunderbolt
- Volt Switch
- Shadow Ball
Don't use These:
Use these instead:
Don't use this:
Use this instead:
Don't use this:
Weakness Policy + Dragon Dance
Use this instead:
Choice Band + Extremespeed
Or...
Why it's better:
FOR STICKY WEB TEAMS, Don't use:
Thundurus @ Life Orb
Trait: Prankster
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Nasty Plot
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power Ice
- Taunt / Focus Blast
Instead use:
Thundurus-T @ Life Orb / Expert Belt
Trait: Volt Absorb
EVs: 112 HP / 252 SpA / 144 Spe
Modest Nature
- Nasty Plot
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power Ice
- Focus Blast
OR
Thundurus @ Life Orb
Trait: Defiant
EVs: 72 Atk / 184 SpA / 252 Spe
Mild / Naive Nature
- Thunderbolt / Wild Charge
- Superpower
- Knock Off
- Hidden Power Ice
Don't use this:
Use this instead:
[/quote]FOR GOD'S SAKE, DO NOT FUCKING USE:
Electivire @ Life Orb
Trait: Motor Drive
EVs: 56 Atk / 200 SpA / 252 Spe or 140 Atk / 116 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
- Thunderbolt / Wild Charge
- Flamethrower
- Cross Chop
- Ice Punch
Instead use this:
Kyurem-B @ Life Orb
Trait: Teravolt
EVs: 56 Atk / 252 SpA / 200 Spe
Mild Nature
- Outrage
- Fusion Bolt
- Ice Beam
- Earth Power
Don't use this:
Slurpuff @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Unburden
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly/Adamant Nature
- Return/Aromatherapy
- Play Rough
- Belly Drum
- Drain Punch
Instead use this:
Azumarill @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Huge Power
EVs: 92 HP / 252 Atk / 164 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Aqua Jet
- Belly Drum
- Play Rough/SuperPower
- Waterfall/Knock Off
FOR NON-SAND TEAMS
Don't use:
Garchomp @ Garchompite
Trait: Rough Skin ---> Sand Force
EVs: 16 Atk / 240 SpA / 252 Spe
Naughty Nature
- Draco Meteor
- Fire Blast
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
Instead use:
Kyurem-B @ Life Orb
Trait: Teravolt
EVs: 56 Atk / 252 SpA / 200 Spe
Naive Nature
- Ice Beam
- Earth Power
- Outrage / Dragon Claw
- HP Fire / Fusion Bolt
Don't use this:
Use these instead:
DO NOT EVER USE THIS:
Gengar @ whatever
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Shadow Ball
- Dark Pulse
- whatever
- whatever
Instead, use this:
Gengar @ whatever
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Shadow Ball
- Focus Blast / Dazzling Gleam / Sludge Bomb
- whatever
- whatever
Don't use this:
Charizard@Charizardite Y
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid/Modest nature
-Fire Blast
-Solar Beam
-Focus Blast
-Air Slash
Try using this:
Charizard@Charizardite Y
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid/Modest nature
-Fire Blast
-Solar Beam
-Focus Blast
-Dragon Pulse/Roost/Will-O-Wisp/SOMETHING THAT MAY HAVE SOME USE
Don't Use This:
Ambipom @ Life Orb
Ability: Technician
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Fake Out
- Return
- Low Kick
- Knock Off
Use This:
Lopunny-Mega @ Lopunnite
Ability: Scrappy
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Fake Out
- Return
- High Jump Kick
- Ice Punch
Don't use this:
Use this instead:
Don't Use This:
Umbreon @ Leftovers
Ability: Synchronize
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Curse
- Payback
- Moonlight/Wish
- Heal Bell
Use These:
Suicune @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
Bold Nature
- Scald
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Calm Mind
Mandibuzz (F) @ Leftovers/Rocky Helmet
Ability: Overcoat
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Roost
- Foul Play
- Defog
- Taunt
Slurpuff @ Salac Berry
Ability: Unburden
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Substitute
- Belly Drum
- Drain Punch
- Play Rough
Use this instead:
Chesnaught @ Salac Berry
Ability: Overgrow
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Belly Drum
- Substitute
- Drain Punch
- Seed Bomb
Don't use this:
Ferrothorn @ whatever
Ability: Iron Barbs
EVs: whatever
whatever Nature
- Thunder Wave
- Gyro Ball
- whatever
- whatever
Instead, use this:
Ferrothorn @ whatever
Ability: Iron Barbs
EVs: whatever
whatever Nature
- Thunder Wave/Gyro Ball
- whatever
- whatever
- whatever
Don't use this:
Terrakion @ Focus Sash
Ability: Justified
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Close Combat
- Stone Edge
- Taunt
Use this instead:
Azelf @ Focus Sash
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SDef / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Taunt
- Explosion / Fire Blast
- Skill Swap
Don't Use This
Use ThisCode:Nidoking @ Life Orb Ability: Sheer Force EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe Timid Nature - Sludge Wave - Earth Power - Ice Beam - Stealth Rock
Code:Landorus @ Life Orb Ability: Sheer Force EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe Timid Nature - Earth Power - Psychic - Focus Blast - Stealth Rock
Don't use this:
Flygon @ Choice Scarf
Levitate | 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe | Jolly
Earthquake | Outrage/Dragon Claw | U-turn | Fire Punch
Use these instead:
Garchomp @ Choice Scarf
Rough Skin | 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe | Jolly / Naive
Outrage | Earthquake | Rock Slide / Stone Edge | Dragon Claw / Fire Blast
Kyurem-B @ Choice Scarf
Teravolt | 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe | Naive
Outrage | Dragon Claw | Fusion Bolt | Ice Beam / Iron Head
Landorus-Therian @ Choice Scarf
Intimidate | 252 Atk / 24 Dfc / 232 Spe | Jolly
Earthquake | U-turn | Stone Edge | Superpower / Knock Off
Or...
Flygon @ Leftovers
Levitate | 208 HP / 148 Def / 152 Spe | Naive
Earthquake | Defog | Roost | Fire Blast
Don't use this:
with Water Pulse or Dragon Pulse
Instead, use this:
with Scald/Hydro Pump or Ice Beam, respectively
Don't use this:
Machamp @ Assault Vest
Ability: No Guard
EVs: 248 HP/252 Atk/8 Spd
Adamant/Jolly Nature
- Dynamic Punch
- Bullet Punch
- Knock Off
- Ice Punch/Stone Edge/Earthquake
~Moveset improvised from February Usage Stats
Use this instead:
Conkeldurr @ Assault Vest
Ability: Guts/Iron Fist
EVs: 252 Atk / 236 SpD / 20 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Drain Punch
- Mach Punch
- Knock Off/Ice Punch
- Poison Jab/Stone Edge
Don't use this:
Clefable @ Leftovers
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 252 HP / 160 Def / 96 SpD
Calm Nature
- Cosmic Power
- Stored Power
- Charge Beam
- whatever
Instead, use this:
Clefable @ Leftovers
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 252 HP / 160 Def / 96 SpD
Calm Nature
- Calm Mind
- Moonblast
- Soft-Boiled
- Flamethrower / other coverage move [/qupte
Don't use this:
16 HP/252 SpA/240 Spd
Use this instead:
4 HP/252 SpA/252 Spd
Why it's better:
Rules:
- Don't use this thread just to bash certain Pokemon.
- Make sure your examples are relevant.
- Please stay on topic.
- Make sure to back up your arguments with relevant information. As in more than just a sentence or two.
- DON'T post about...
I. Viable Pokemon
For the most part, refrain from telling people not to use things that have niche uses in OU. For example, "Don't Use Entei ----> Use Victini!" Overall, yes, Victini is a better physically offensive Pokemon than Entei. However, if you're opting to use Entei, it's because of Sacred Fire and Extreme Speed, two things you aren't getting anywhere else. However, it's totally fine if you're telling me not to use a set of a Pokemon viable in OU. For example, Don't Use Offensive Arcanine ----> Use Entei! Arcanine's defensive set is what makes it viable, and it's fine if you want to tell people not to use Life Orb Arcanine.
OR
II. Dissimilar Pokemon
This thread is supposed to be Apples:Apples (aka Role:Role), not Apples:Oranges. For example, yes, Landorus, Mega Sableye, and Reuniclus all can run Calm Mind. However, thanks to their different typings, stats, and abilities, they all function incredibly differently. You can't just take a team with CM Reuniclus, and say "hmm, Sableye > Reuniclus in general", and then say "Don't Use Reuniclus, Use Sableye!" It doesn't work that way. Similarly, on a team, you can't just take Extreme Speed Lucario, replace it with Extreme Speed Dragonite, and call it a day.
To put it in perspective, say I have a full team with Mandibuzz as my Landorus check and defogger, and find the team incredibly Mega Pinsir weak. By replacing Mandibuzz with Zapdos, you retain a Defogger and a Landorus check while gaining a Pinsir check. Thus, the switch is pretty beneficial for your team. This thread is NOT for that. It's more for switching Mega Charizard X as a defogger with either a better defogger or a better Charizard set.
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