My thoughts...
I think that
Tyranitar is worth mentioning as a very viable Choice Band user. The lack of steel type dark resistance has made CBand an even more viable set this generation than the last.
One might feel the CBand set is overshadowed by the Tyranitarite. While it may be true that the Tyranitarite has given Ttar placement in a better speed tier and the added bulk necessary to set up DDance(s) more easily, it takes a turn of set up that oftentimes can be undesirable.
Setting up with Mega-Tyranitar without being fazed, crippled, or sometimes OHKO'd can be difficult. Therefore, the immediate power of a Choice Band on Tyranitar can be extremely helpful for breaking holes through your opponents team, especially because it requires no set up turn.
Here's the standard set:
Tyranitar @ Choice Band
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 180 HP/252 Atk/76 Spe
Nature: Adamant
- Stone Edge/Rock Slide
- Crunch
- Pursuit
- Earthquake/Ice Punch
76 EVs are dumped in Spe to outpace uninvested base 70's, and the rest is dumped into Atk and HP for maximized bulk and power. Rock Slide is an option over Stone Edge if you fear the chance of missing, but beware the drop in power. Ice punch can be used if you want to punish x4 weak Pokemon effectively, namely Lando-T; however, Earthquake is generally the preferred option.
Banded ttar is pretty obscure, but is also pretty effective. The thread is mostly a thread list, and so it doesn't
have to be posted. It's really tSS' chice. But I do agree, it's a cool set.
Superpower can be slashed, however with the prevalence of Aegislash it is undesirable to be locked into, especially with so much resisting it this gen (introduction of Fairy type) and the drop in power and defense that immediately follows its use. This leaves you incredibily vulnerable to set up sweepers who resist superpower.
As mentioned in my post, I already say stone edge is preferred, but rock slide may be used for increased accuracy at the cost of power.
If you had actually read the official XY analysis, CBand ttar does NOT have superpower listed as an option. It's exactly the set I posted because that set is the most effective and viable CBand Ttar in the 6th generation, SP banded Ttar is no longer as viable as it was in Gen 5 due to exactly the reasons I listed.
Again, I agree. Superpower can be used, but isn't a staple, and is a pretty poor move to get locked into.
It's not listed because it's not as viable. If it was as viable, the XY analysis would have it slashed. Earthquake is the better option, as is ice punch as well.
Until you learn a bit more of the gen 6 meta I'll have a hard time taking you seriously. Especially since you suggested RETURN (lol) on choice band Talonflame.
Agreed. Return is pretty terrible.
P.s. no one good uses hydreigon this gen
This isn't true. Hydreigon can be used very effectively as a fast, hard hitting pivot, as well as a special wall breaker with impeccable coverage. It isn't really a "noobish" pokemon either.
Just throwing out a bullshit set I just made that I may add to the thread:
Darmantian
Item: Choice Band
Nature: Jolly/Adamant
Ability: Sheer Force
EVs: 252 Atk, 252 Spd, 4 HP
- Flare Blitz
- Rock Slide
- U-Turn
- Superpower
Just something that came to my mind, Flare Blitz is STAB, Rock slide is 107 BP with sheer force, U-Turn is standard, and SP is nice damage and coverage.
I'm not so sure about this. It hits like a
truck, but imho, it's too frail and slow for a band. I think Victini and Entei are both better fire type band users, and probably deserve a slot in the OP.
Honestly, no you do not or you still wouldn't have stuff like waterfall Dragonite (fire punch is mandatory for skarm, scizor, and ferrothorn) iron tail haxorus (poison jab for fairies) and choice band sharpedo (sharpedo is borderline viable and its viable set is not a choice band one) Lessen your ego and start to listen to players who know what they are doing. CB tyranitar is a hell of a lot more viable than fucking choice band sharpedo.
1. Agreed
2. Agreed
3. Not true. Sharpedo is a pretty great pokemon now, and is currently B- ranked, which isn't borderline viable.
CB Machamp is almost entirely outclassed by CB Conkeldurr, the only reason we don't see CB Conkeldurr is because AV Conkeldurr is a fucking menace.
Sharpedo is a terrible CB user, I vote for removal
1. Dynamic Punch + Choice Band hits super hard, and can disrupt common switchins, like Azumarill. I like AV Champ better, but I still think it's pretty good.
2. And, to be honest, I've never seen Band sharpedo. But just because it's uncommon doesn't mean it's bad. It hits hard with a band, and can only be revenge killed with priority after awhile. It is underrated, but it shouldn't be made bold, imo, as it isn't a huge threat.
This thread really is a train wreck. The op choice banders:
Terrakion- yes
Gyarados- good last gen to bate in rotom and smash with double edge, now can barely bait it due to mold breaker eq
Scizor- yes
Excadrill- serously, there are much better sets for it
Garchomp- i guess
Heracross- not too viable in ou
Sharpedo- definately no
Haxorus- again, not to viable in ou
Azumarill-yes
Then for specs you mentioned zam, jolteon, charizard and vaporeon.
Keep it with simple, viable users like scizor, dnite and ttar rather than pokes who wont get an ou analysis with the set.
Band/specs has definately decreased in viability now, it is hard to lock yourself into a move without something coming in and setting up on you.
Please, please get rid of this
Go scolipede or go home
(this does seem harsh but then again so are 99% of the other posts)
1. Agree
2. Maybe. I think scarf, SD, mega, and defensive are all-around better.
3. Agree. Scarf and mega are the best.
4. I have no experience with it, but maybe. In theory, yes, but I think life orb may be better. Don't kill be
The Shellder Smuggler :'(
5. Coming from the analysis:
Choice Band provides immediate power and a faster means of wallbreaking, but all common moves have immunities and would require Adamant to benefit the most from the power to be effective.
I think Ddance is better, tbh.
6. Agreed. Ninjask n'est pas bon.
Kingdra
Politoed
Alakazam
Rotom-W (Trick)
Jolteon
Latios
Starmie
Gengar
Charizard
Porygon-Z
Magnezone
Vaporeon
Kingdra is good, Politoed is good, Rotom-W is good, Latios is good, Starmie is good, Gengar is good, Porygon-Z is good, and Magnezone is good, but the others, not really. Jolteon is so bad now, it isn't even funny, Vaporeon's only niches, barely keeping it ranked, are its Cleric set and its baton pass set, Charizard should never not cary a mega stone, and Alakazam should pretty much never not hold a sash.
Sorry If I sounded too harsh to anyone.
