Foggi
Banned deucer.
they can just make a second discord server wich will be used for ghosting onlyHence: if they go to private channels and it's found out they get perma banned
they can just make a second discord server wich will be used for ghosting onlyHence: if they go to private channels and it's found out they get perma banned
I kind of like this idea because some of the complaints I've heard are that they were just discussing the game or w/e and that it shouldn't count as ghosting. However with a mod in the chat, there will be greater clarity as to what can or can not be said. If the players decide to make a separate chat without the mod and ghost there, then it shows a clear disregard for the rules which can be dealt with much more harshly than other cases, e.g. a permanent ban as you mentioned.Hence: if they go to private channels and it's found out they get perma banned
Except that we are also competitors... So either we give all the task to a single TD (the SPL host since he is not playing, yay, he'll be glad to have ten team chats to look upon all the time :D), or we separate it between TDs but it means you'll face the TD in your chatroom at some point in the tournament.There's really only one way to ensure that this sticks: require any and all irc chats or skype convos to have a TD presence and permanently ban any offenders who contravene that dictate in addition to regular ghosting.
It gives an ACCURATE image to them, to be fair. Ghosting has been an issue for as long as serious e-peen worthy Pokémon tournaments have been around. And remember: you only ever catch the stupid ones who do it.Seriously why is this thread still open ? That's more or less total garbage, and that gives a poor image of the community to newcomers.
If you really want to talk about ghosting, please go into the Inside Scoop, just let TDs decide or something like that :(
How do you even plan to make TDs know about all communication means a player uses? Players could call or use any messaging app they want on their phone, for instance. Hell, on something like WCoP, they might even live close by and do some real life ghosting. Should we install cameras on every single player's houses and watch them while they play too? Seems reasonable!There's really only one way to ensure that this sticks: require any and all irc chats or skype convos to have a TD presence and permanently ban any offenders who contravene that dictate in addition to regular ghosting.
He's already addressed that. Your shitty sarcasm is not helping anything.It gives an ACCURATE image to them, to be fair. Ghosting has been an issue for as long as serious e-peen worthy Pokémon tournaments have been around. And remember: you only ever catch the stupid ones who do it.
Oh, and the ones who get hacked too, now.
How do you even plan to make TDs know about all communication means a player uses? Players could call or use any messaging app they want on their phone, for instance. Hell, on something like WCoP, they might even live close by and do some real life ghosting. Should we install cameras on every single player's houses and watch them while they play too? Seems reasonable!
I'm sorry for not responding to things that don't matter?
It doesn't really matter if players create another skype group. If people want to cheat they will find a way to do so. However. The TDs will have said "this is the way you should be communicating. These are the approved methods. Only channels where TDs are present can be used to discuss team matters." If you make another skype, if you make another discord, if you whatever then you've shown that you don't care about the rules and that you will cheat no matter what.
If you get hacked. If you slip up. If someone snakes on you. You get permabanned. No second chances.
"People are always going to be able to ghost if they want to", while true, is a horrible argument. Just because we can't stop ghosting completely doesn't mean we can't make it more difficult.Precisely, moreover it gives the TDs leeway over specific cases where someone, as Jayde says, just blurts out a move and the TDs can say "hey, that fits our definition of ghosting, don't do it again" and can then give warnings or whatever for future cases. Or if someone is legit ghosting in front of them, come down hard. But the standard is in place that if you do team talk outside of your approved chat, you're permabanned.
The point is never to make it impossible to ghost, that's obviously not feasible. The point is that if you do ghost and you're found out by any means, you get banned from ever competing again.How do you even plan to make TDs know about all communication means a player uses? Players could call or use any messaging app they want on their phone, for instance. Hell, on something like WCoP, they might even live close by and do some real life ghosting. Should we install cameras on every single player's houses and watch them while they play too? Seems reasonable!
This is a Tournament thread, where we are supposed to support our favorite players, not to critisize them, even if it is needed, and it is definitly not a place where a discussion about ghosting should be host. But if it stays open, you can perhaps show us your ideas instead of flaming the other ones.It gives an ACCURATE image to them, to be fair. Ghosting has been an issue for as long as serious e-peen worthy Pokémon tournaments have been around. And remember: you only ever catch the stupid ones who do it.
Oh, and the ones who get hacked too, now.
How do you even plan to make TDs know about all communication means a player uses? Players could call or use any messaging app they want on their phone, for instance. Hell, on something like WCoP, they might even live close by and do some real life ghosting. Should we install cameras on every single player's houses and watch them while they play too? Seems reasonable!
I'm not being sarcastic. Real life ghosting might just have happened at some point in Smogon history. Who knows? In some countries, most of the playerbase in here is from one or two cities. It's really plausible and leaves no evidence.He's already addressed that. Your shitty sarcasm is not helping anything.