Im still banking on Donphan, but because of the current atitude against it, I don't think its happening for some time.
Aside from grammar and spelling, Altaria is still an outclassed Dragon-type Pokemon. I could come up with many reasons right here to not use Altaria in place of other Dragon-types or other support Pokemon, but many others have tried before you, and Altaria's been rejected or denounced in those instances. Look them up. Sure, Altaria has a few things that others don't, but at that point, you're supporting the usefulness of things like Normalize Thunder Wave Delcatty.i am bored so here an argument.
Altaria normally an out class dragon.however it gain
something from this gen. a buff up cotton guard,
and Dw ability:cloud nine.
with that in mind he might be able
to stall most type of weather
with toxic, roost, and cotton guard
(back up with flamethrower or another move.)
even if you don't get cloud nine you can
get tailwind and heal bell making it good support.
I mean there are better dragon but now Altaria has
a few thing that the other dragons don't.
How did I get a box?
I actually was talking to Eo about this a day or two ago, and he's convinced me for the following reasons:Will there be other opinions on Donphan...
Not when Mew outclasses Musharna in almost every aspect in terms of Baton Passing in OU. Even Stored Power won't really differentiate Musharna from similar Passers, since, well, its purpose is to supposedly pass boosts to another target and not attack. Mew can also pass Calm Mind, Amnesia, and Barrier.What about musharna? It has great defences, has acess to calm mind and barrier to boost those defenceseven further, stored power to take advantage yet again of the boosts, and to top it off is has baton pass. Analysis?
Hi and welcome to Smogon. Before asking for a Pokemon to be removed from this list, I'd highly suggest you search the "Locked/Outdated Analyses" forum as well as this thread for the Pokemon in question. Medicham has been brought up a few times in this thread, but was deemed to be an inferior Fighting-type when compared to the Pokemon already usable in OU. Choice Band Terrakion and Mienshao are prime examples of said Fighting-types. Terrakion has enough bulk to risk a misplay and a pretty good second STAB to maim Ghost-types with. Mienshao sort of falls in the same boat thanks to Regeneration, U-turn, and a much more diverse movepool. Pure Power is great and all, but switching Medicham in is the main problem that people are going to face when using it, because Fighting/Psychic typing with 60/75 defenses doesn't exactly equate to comfortable switches.This is my first post and I am not really an expert in the metagame, but:
Medicham should not be on this list. It reaches 480 attack (48 points more than haxorus) and with a choice scarf it outspeeds just enough to sweep with a 130bp STAB. It also has just enough bulk to not be KOed by weaker neutral/priority attacks. The elemental punches, rock slide and zen headbutt provide coverage to predict and beat its main counters (gliscor, slowbro, ghosts).
I can provide logs of medicham sweeping entire teams, as even the more frail fighting resists (the genies, latios, sometimes latias) are 2HKOd by HJK.
I tried it and liked it
I could'nt find it in the archive and did not want to read 40 pages of this thread, but will do so now.Hi and welcome to Smogon. Before asking for a Pokemon to be removed from this list, I'd highly suggest you search the "Locked/Outdated Analyses" forum as well as this thread for the Pokemon in question. Medicham has been brought up a few times in this thread, but was deemed to be an inferior Fighting-type when compared to the Pokemon already usable in OU. Choice Band Terrakion and Mienshao are prime examples of said Fighting-types. Terrakion has enough bulk to risk a misplay and a pretty good second STAB to maim Ghost-types with. Mienshao sort of falls in the same boat thanks to Regeneration, U-turn, and a much more diverse movepool. Pure Power is great and all, but switching Medicham in is the main problem that people are going to face when using it, because Fighting/Psychic typing with 60/75 defenses doesn't exactly equate to comfortable switches.
I've given Choice Scarf, LO, SubPunch, and Choice Band Medicham several tries already. The problem is that the extra speed is almost useless once you consider the amount of notable (common) Pokemon that Medicham outpaces with a Scarf. Once again, Mienshao has the upper hand here thanks to Regenerator, as it can afford a misprediction. Sure, 2HKOing Skarmory is awesome and all, but no player will be dumb enough to leave Skarmory in on a choice-locked Pokemon, not to mention that Skarmory won't always be the first Pokemon that switches in. You have to to consider that no competent player will ONLY have Skarmory as their check to physical threats. Gliscor, Hippowdon, Latias, Reuniclus, and Jellicent are examples of common Pokemon who can be and are used for checking Fighting-types and physical threats in general. Once you finally get Medicham in, you'll have to worry about what your opponent fears the most and wants to do. If you misplay and Medicham ends up locking itself into an attack that's asking to get set up on (Ice Punch, Psycho Cut, etc), then you'll have to switch out and go through the trouble of switching Medicham in safely, again.I could'nt find it in the archive and did not want to read 40 pages of this thread, but will do so now.
While this may be a lost cause, let me throw in some numbers:
Jolly CB terrakion has 535 Atk and 346 Spe
Adamant Medicham has 480 Atk with a slightly stronger STAB, up to 426 Spe and is very hard to stop with common priority attacks.
I am fully aware that every set not carrying a scarf is outclassed by other fighters, but the scarf set is not. I also accept that switching medi in is difficult (although it can take some weaker/resisted stray attacks), but that is true for other scarfers as well, working more as a revenge killer.
Maybe at least give it a try!
It's not much better than your typical electric-type special attacker. If you used it in battle, you wish you had Jolteon or Raikou because they can afford to use some coverage choices, unlike Zebstrika who relies entirely on a lone physical move and special moves off his low Special Attack.Zebstrika gets electric/fire coverage and lightningrod gives it a way to boost it's special attack so it could run a mixed set. It can also use Volt Switch to scout and as a filler.
It was disallowed for being outclassed not only by Garchomp, but by all of the other OU dragons. Basically, anything Flygon tries to do, another dragon can do it better. Sure it has a unique (now that Garchomp is gone) typing and levitate, but neither of those things are enough to make you glad that you picked Flygon over another dragon.I am completely theorymoning this but, what about Flygon. While looking at the stats I noticed flygon is quite high in usage for OU, now I know usage is no good reason to write an anylisis, it just got me thinking. The only arguements against Flygon last time around where mostly "Garchomp exists," and well, now it doesn't. So I propose Flygon, if its not eligible, I atleast want to know why.
Still theorymonning. There is nothing to prove this, so Flygon could still be legit. Remember Rhyperior in gen4?Sure it has a unique (now that Garchomp is gone) typing and levitate, but neither of those things are enough to make you glad that you picked Flygon over another dragon.
With a slightly higher base Speed (which makes a huge difference (not having to flip a coin when Mence gets to +1)) and better overall stats, Landorus gives Flygon some stiff competition as a Choice Scarfer. Being resistant to SR and able to roast Skarmory with Fire Blast pales in comparison to severely weakening (or outright OHKOing) Gliscor and being able to revenge a much wider pool of Pokemon. Mixed Flygon doesn't seem so bad, though. Sure, Lati@s and Hydreigon outdamage him, but Flygon can actually take a beating from an unboosted Doryuuzu, Mach Punch from Conk, and isn't Pursuit weak. DM / Earthquake / Fire Blast / Roost really sounds legit in this metagame (won't be getting past Eviolite Chansey without Spikes, but w/e). In other words, mixed Flygon can stick around longer than other Dragons in OU.I am completely theorymoning this but, what about Flygon. While looking at the stats I noticed flygon is quite high in usage for OU, now I know usage is no good reason to write an anylisis, it just got me thinking. The only arguements against Flygon last time around where mostly "Garchomp exists," and well, now it doesn't. So I propose Flygon, if its not eligible, I atleast want to know why.