Gen 1 Weepinbell [DONE]

[Gangsta Spongebob]

[OVERVIEW]

Thanks to its access to the "Double Powder" combination, Weepinbell threatens the entire tier with reliable enough status. Its ability to spread paralysis also pairs nicely with Wrap. While its Speed is poor, it still outpaces notable foes like Drowzee, Porygon, Omanyte, and Graveler; the latter two are OHKOed by Weepinbell's Razor Leaf. However, besides these useful applications, Weepinbell has few other positives to it.

While it can eke out some defensive utility using its Water and Electric resistances against Seaking and some Staryu sets, Weepinbell is a huge defensive liability owing to its bad bulk and typing. Its awful Fire, Flying, Psychic, and Ice weaknesses mean it gets demolished by common threats like Rapidash, Arcanine, Fearow, Gastly, and Nidoqueen. Its poor Speed adds to its woes, usually leaving it outsped and forced to take a hit before doing anything. To make matters worse, while its Razor Leaf destroys threats weak to it, it doesn't do enough damage to save it against neutral targets like Nidoqueen, and it struggles to deal notable damage to Grass-resistant Pokemon like Rapidash, Pinsir, Gastly, and Fearow.

Weepinbell also has heavy competition from other status spreaders. Drowzee may be slower, but its Thunder Wave is more reliable and its Psychic typing grants it both a better offensive and defensive presence. While Vileplume is even less offensively threatening than Weepinbell, its enormous bulk lets it spread status more effectively. Despite the fact that Weepinbell is almost impossible to reliably check without taking status, it offers little else, so other status spreaders should be considered before it.

[SET]
name: Double Powder
move 1: Sleep Powder
move 2: Stun Spore
move 3: Wrap
move 4: Razor Leaf

[SET COMMENTS]
Set Description
=========

Sleep Powder and Stun Spore let Weepinbell spread sleep and paralysis. Wrap lets Weepinbell pivot around and wear down slower threats, such as Porygon, Drowzee, and paralyzed foes. Stun Spore and Wrap form a potent combination if Weepinbell can remain unparalyzed. Razor Leaf is Weepinbell's primary STAB attack and notably lets it OHKO Staryu, Graveler, and Omanyte, as well as the rarer Slowpoke and Poliwag. Razor Leaf also 2HKOes other Grass-weak targets, like Seaking.

Weepinbell has horrible matchups against Fire-types and Fearow, so Omanyte is an essential partner for its ability to switch into them. In return, Weepinbell can status Porygon, which otherwise would stonewall Omanyte. Gastly and Abra also give Weepinbell a good deal of trouble, so Drowzee is useful for its ability to check them. Pinsir can 2HKO Weepinbell with its powerful Slash, so Fire-types and Fearow make good teammates to help Weepinbell handle it. Nidoqueen is another problematic matchup, but it can be checked by Machamp and Porygon.

Weepinbell's most potent tool is Sleep Powder, so it's often best that players try to get Weepinbell on the field as quickly as possible to get an early lead. It must be wary of using Wrap recklessly, as it can let opposing players burn sleep turns with little risk. While threats like Rapidash and Gastly despise Weepinbell's status, it can't threaten them otherwise, so it's reliant on its team to get past these threats. Weepinbell hates getting paralyzed, as it renders its Wrap useless and leaves it outsped by Drowzee and Omanyte, though in some instances it's worth it, such as if Weepinbell trades paralysis with Porygon.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
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Swords Dance combined with Double-Edge makes Weepinbell much more threatening, but its offensive prowess is still subpar, and Weepinbell has to give up valuable utility to fit those moves.

Checks and Counters
===================

**Fire-types**: Rapidash, Arcanine, and Magmar take minimal damage from Weepinbell's Razor Leaf and can 2HKO it with Fire Blast. Rapidash and the rare Flareon can even chip Weepinbell with Fire Spin, only needing one or two hits to get it into KO range.

**Faster Attackers**: Abra outspeeds Weepinbell and 2HKOes it with Psychic while also threatening it with Thunder Wave. Nidoqueen outspeeds and almost always 2HKOes Weepinbell with Blizzard or Fire Blast and is only 3HKOed by Razor Leaf.

**Grass-resistant Foes**: While Gastly almost never 2HKOes Weepinbell with Psychic, it resists Razor Leaf and is immune to Wrap, letting it stonewall Weepinbell. Fearow outspeeds and 2HKOes Weepinbell with Drill Peck while taking negligible damage from Razor Leaf. Pinsir resists Razor Leaf and outspeeds and 2HKOes Weepinbell with Slash.

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[OVERVIEW]

Thanks to its access to the "Double Powder" combination, Weepinbell threatens the entire tier with reliable enough status. Its ability to spread paralysis also pairs nicely with Wrap. However, that's where most of the positives about Weepinbell end.

While it can eek (eke, btw) out some defensive utility using its typing's Water and Electric resistances against Seaking and some Staryu sets, otherwise Weepinbell is a huge defensive liability owing to its bad bulk and awful Fire, Flying, Psychic, and Ice weaknesses. This makes it get demolished by common threats like Rapidash, Fearow, Gastly, and Nidoqueen. Its poor Speed adds to its woes, usually leaving it outsped and thus forced it to take a hit before being able to do anything. To make matters worse, while its Razor Leaf destroys threats weak to it, it doesn't do enough damage to save it against neutral targets like Nidoqueen, and leaves it struggling to deal notable damage to Pokemon with Grass-type resistances like Rapidash, Pinsir, and Gastly. (and Fearow)

Weepinbell also has heavy competition with other status spreaders. Drowzee has excellent offensive and defensive capabilities due to its Psychic typing. While Vileplume is even less offensively threatening, its enormous bulk lets it spread status more effectively. Thus, despite the fact that Weepinbell can almost always make some progress by spreading status, it offers little else, and thus other status spreaders should be considered before it.

[SET]
name: Double Powder
move 1: Sleep Powder
move 2: Stun Spore
move 3: Wrap
move 4: Razor Leaf

(what the fuck, this thing doesn't get Body Slam? RIP)

[SET COMMENTS]
Set Description
=========(

Sleep Powder and Stun Spore let Weepinbell spread paralysis (well, only one of these does that, so reword). Wrap lets Weepinbell pivot off and wear down slower threats (say what it can wear down/pivot out of without stun spore) and thus it has excellent synergy with Stun Spore if Weepinbell remains unparalyzed. Razor Leaf is Weepinbell's primary STAB attack, and notably lets it OHKO Staryu and Graveler (surely omanyte too?), and the rarer Slowpoke and Poliwag. Razor Leaf also 2HKOes other Grass-weak targets like Seaking.

Weepinbell has horrible matchups against Fire-types and Fearow (and pinsir surely), and thus Omanyte is an essential partner for its ability to switch into them. In return, Weepinbell can status Porygon, who ("which," not "who" - keep this in mind) otherwise would stonewall Omanyte. Gastly and Abra also give it a good deal of trouble, so Drowzee is useful for its ability to check them. Nidoqueen is another problematic matchup, but it can be checked by Machamp.

Weepinbell's most potent tool is Sleep Powder, so it's often best that players try to get Weepinbell on the field as quickly as possible to get an early lead. It must be wary of using Wrap recklessly, as it can often let opposing players burn sleep turns with little risk. While threats like Rapidash and Gastly despite (did you mean despise) Weepinbell's status, it can't threaten them otherwise, and thus it's reliant on its team to get past these threats. Weepinbell hates getting paralyzed as it renders its Wrap useless and leaves it outsped by Drowzee and Omanyte, though in some instances it's worth it, such as if Weepinbell trades paralysis with Porygon.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============

Swords Dance combined with Double-Edge makes Weepinbell much more threatening, but its offensive prowess is still subpar and Weepinbell has to give up valuable utility to fit those moves.

Checks and Counters
===================
Due to its access to Sleep Powder and Stun Spore, as well are the difficulty the tier has in OHKOing Weepinbell, it can almost always get one attempt to land status and cripple a would be check. (idt this should be here, put it in the set description as another thing Weepinbell can risk, much like trading paralysis with pory)

**Fire-types**: Rapidash, Arcanine, Magmar, and Flareon take minimal damage from Weepinbell's Razor Leaf and can 2HKO it with their Fire Blasts. Rapidash and Flareon can even chip Weepinbell into KO range using Fire Spin. (important to mention it only takes 1-2 hits from spin to guarantee the OHKO)

**Gastly**: While Gastly almost never 2HKOes Weeepinbell with its Psychic, it resists Razor Leaf and is immune to Wrap, letting it stonewall Weepinbell.

**Fearow**: Fearow outspeeds and 2HKOes Weepinbell with Drill Peck while taking negligible damage from its Razor Leaf. (I think Agility can be mentioned here and even with Dash as potential later issues for Weep; optional)

**Abra**: Abra outspeeds Weepinbell and 2HKOes it with Psychic, while also threatening it with Thunder Wave.

**Nidoqueen**: Nidoqueen outspeeds and almost always 2HKOes Weepinbell with its Blizzard or Fire Blast and is only 3HKOed by Razor Leaf.

**Pinsir**: Pinsir resists Razor Leaf and can outspeed and 2HKO Weepinbell with its Slash.

(i think we can condense these checks into just 3 categories - "Fire-types," "Grass-resistant foes," and "faster attackers" in general, rather than these short bits)

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[Gangsta Spongebob]

Implemented and ready for Check 2!

 

[phoopes]

Overview:
You mention Weepinbell's speed being bad, and it is. But it does outrun and OHKO Graveler and Omanyte, and also outspeeds Porygon and Drowzee so it can potentially put them to sleep. So it's not like terrible, maybe mention that it's just fast enough to beat out some walls in the first mini-paragraph.

Also would add Arcanine to the list of Pokemon with Grass-type resistances

Set comments:

It has excellent synergy with Stun Spore if Weepinbell remains unparalyzed, as then the entire tier is outsped by Weepinbell.

While I get what you're trying to say with this sentence, I think it sounds weird and could be reworded.

Strategy comments:
Think Sabelette got everything here

Checks and Counters:
I'd remove Flareon mention from Fire-types. Just doesn't see any/enough play to be relevant

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[Gangsta Spongebob]

Implemented! Tagging GP Team

 

[Sabelette]

GP 1/1 GP Team done

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[OVERVIEW]

Thanks to its access to the "Double Powder" combination, Weepinbell threatens the entire tier with reliable enough status. Its ability to spread paralysis also pairs nicely with Wrap. While its Speed is poor, it still outpaces notable foes like Drowzee, Porygon, Omanyte, and Graveler; (semicolon) , with the latter 2 two are being OHKOed by Weepinbell's Razor Leaf. However, that's where most of the positives about Weepinbell end. (This sentence is really awkward, maybe something like "however, Weepinbell has few other positives to it")

While it can eke out some defensive utility using its Water and Electric resistances against Seaking and some Staryu sets, otherwise Weepinbell is a huge defensive liability owing to its bad bulk and typing. (period) and Its awful Fire, Flying, Psychic, and Ice weaknesses. (RP) This makes it get mean it gets demolished by common threats like Rapidash, Arcanine, Fearow, Gastly, and Nidoqueen. Its poor Speed adds to its woes, usually leaving it outsped and thus forced it to take a hit before being able to doing anything. To make matters worse, while its Razor Leaf destroys threats weak to it, it doesn't do enough damage to save it against neutral targets like Nidoqueen, and leaves it struggling it struggles to deal notable damage to Grass-resistant Pokemon with Grass-type resistances like Rapidash, Pinsir, and Gastly, (AC) and Fearow.

Weepinbell also has heavy competition with from other status spreaders. Drowzee has excellent offensive and defensive capabilities due to its Psychic typing. (i'd phrase this in comparison to Weepinbell - DZ may be slower but Twave is consistent, it's defensively better, and Psychic hits really hard) While Vileplume is even less offensively threatening than Weepinbell, its enormous bulk lets it spread status more effectively. Thus, despite the fact that Weepinbell is almost impossible to reliably check on account of its ability to spread without taking status, it offers little else, and thus other status spreaders should be considered before it.

[SET]
name: Double Powder
move 1: Sleep Powder
move 2: Stun Spore
move 3: Wrap
move 4: Razor Leaf

[SET COMMENTS]
Set Description
=========

Sleep Powder and Stun Spore let Weepinbell spread sleep and paralysis respectively. Wrap lets Weepinbell pivot around and wear down slower threats, such as Porygon, Drowzee, and most paralyzed foes. Thus, Stun Spore and Wrap form a potent combination if Weepinbell can remain unparalyzed. Razor Leaf is Weepinbell's primary STAB attack, (AC) and notably lets it OHKO Staryu, Graveler, and Omanyte, and as well as the rarer Slowpoke and Poliwag. Razor Leaf also 2HKOes other Grass-weak targets, (AC) like Seaking.

Weepinbell has horrible matchups against Fire-types and Fearow, and thus so Omanyte is an essential partner for its ability to switch into them. In return, Weepinbell can status Porygon, which otherwise would stonewall Omanyte. Gastly and Abra also give it Weepinbell a good deal of trouble, so Drowzee is useful for its ability to check them. Pinsir can 2HKO Weepinbell with its powerful Slash, so Fire-types and Fearow make good teammates to help Weepinbell handle it. Nidoqueen is another problematic matchup, but it can be checked by Machamp.

Weepinbell's most potent tool is Sleep Powder, so it's often best that players try to get Weepinbell on the field as quickly as possible to get an early lead. It must be wary of using Wrap recklessly, as it can often let opposing players burn sleep turns with little risk. While threats like Rapidash and Gastly despise Weepinbell's status, it can't threaten them otherwise, and thus so it's reliant on its team to get past these threats. Weepinbell hates getting paralyzed, (AC) as it renders its Wrap useless and leaves it outsped by Drowzee and Omanyte, though in some instances it's worth it, such as if Weepinbell trades paralysis with Porygon.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============

Swords Dance combined with Double-Edge makes Weepinbell much more threatening, but its offensive prowess is still subpar, (AC) and Weepinbell has to give up valuable utility to fit those moves.

Checks and Counters
===================

**Fire-types**: Rapidash, Arcanine, and Magmar take minimal damage from Weepinbell's Razor Leaf and can 2HKO it with their Fire Blasts. Rapidash and the rare Flareon can even chip Weepinbell with Fire Spin, with it only taking needing one or two 1-2 hits for it to get it into KO range.

**Faster Attackers**: Abra outspeeds Weepinbell and 2HKOes it with Psychic, (AC) while also threatening it with Thunder Wave. Nidoqueen outspeeds and almost always 2HKOes Weepinbell with its Blizzard or Fire Blast and is only 3HKOed by Razor Leaf.

**Grass-resistant foes Foes**: While Gastly almost never 2HKOes Weeepinbell (eeeee) with its Psychic, it resists Razor Leaf and is immune to Wrap, letting it stonewall Weepinbell. Fearow outspeeds and 2HKOes Weepinbell with Drill Peck while taking negligible damage from its Razor Leaf. Pinsir resists Razor Leaf and can outspeeds and 2HKOes Weepinbell with its Slash.

[CREDITS]
Written by:
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Quality checked by:
https://www.smogon.com/forums/members/sabelette.583793/
https://www.smogon.com/forums/members/phoopes.96315/
Grammar checked by:
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