I think if your trying to scrap the outdated teams then 80 percent of the sample teams are absolutely obsolete now. It cannot farm any wins against the current meta.
Zesty MM BO straight up gets plowed by DD Z drag zygarde which is the best zygarde rn.
Cynara BO gets absolutely destroyed by special pdon which can be anywhere from eruption to RP. Magearna needs hard pdon absorption and usually heal bell synergizes with CM groundy though not always. Needless to say, bringing ultra necro is an auto W.
Obiis team get absolutely walled by Ferrothorn. Using wall mence is also a trend that apparently makes no sense. It doesn’t even check the shit it is supposed to check. The only utility is a speedy sack defog. Something as simple as mag / xern plus groundy can also threaten this team. Wall mence defensive ygod and fairyceus calls for a very passive cushion with the likes of ogre being depended on to break and TR DM . 0 speed control and the likes of marsh can absolutely destroy the team on hazards (SR/Spikes).
The council mgar zyg has issues. Using two fairy weeks partnered with TR DM calls for pdon chip every time . The likes of zyg or offensive pdon or marsh or CM spout ogre or even tox ygod can destroy the team.
Looks like folks dont know ultra necro is a mon viewing all of these teams.
Something as simple as rock tomb eruption destroys the stall and even updated versions prolly unless waterceus.
disagreeing w your criticism. the statement "walled by ferrothorn" doesnt hold much weight when spout does near half, theres an eruptdon, an sd lion that gets free set up vs it, and a mence who doesnt care about leech, tox, or any of its moves. even yvel can taunt it. sure its annoying on paper but if u took time to play with the team, ud see ferro is only a "paper" issue rather than an actual road block to the team. i dont disagree with bulky mence being a worse set than other mence sets but its particularly useful here as this team wants an actual pdon check since ogre wants to avoid taking attacks from it and fairyceus invites it in. refresh mence means toxic from bulky pdon isnt totally free. not sure why u mention tr lion when theres a foul play yvel which is one of the best checks to it. lion cant tr and sd at the same time. it has to pick so going hard yvel is usually safe. it also doesnt set up for free bar fairyceus and mence (where it has to risk para but yvels still safe). not sure what "marsh destroys the team with hazards" means either. fairyceus + defensive yvel is pretty great vs it. should we run scarf xern on every team? scarf yvel on every team? if u let ur opponent keep up hazards and sweep with marsh, thats a playing issue not a team issue LOL
appreciate the concerns but i think it was mostly incorrect and misguided. actual criticisms to this team would be how weak it is to special don / rp don. ogre is a huge problem too.
e: i guess i should comment on the other things too. i agree cynaras team gets smashed p badly by special don and is pretty outdated. mag w no pdon sponge is kinda mediocre and im not sure why ekillers there when smth like groundceus could be better.
i think zestys team is fine vs dd zyg tho. it gets 1 dd at most and 1 ko at most w the z
the stall is also really really bad and i dont think stall is good enough in this tier to warrant a sample team
@ council dd zyg team, i think its fine. cm spout ogre cant cm for free ever without taking chip which means they get trapped by thunder gar after 1 ko. offensive pdon and zyg is a threat vs waterceus? waterceus is like THE check bro. ok marsh mu isnt ideal but that can be said for every team without xern, fairyceus, pdef zyg, bulky hooh. its def outplayable with waterceus, pdon, scarf yvel, and even the 5050 vs mgar. agreed that tox yvel is a big threat but that on its own isnt gonna smash the team.
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