This is ridiciulous...

[c l e a r]

I just fought this guy in double who thought Cresselia is an uber and calling me cheap for using Explosion when he is not smart enough to dodge it.

anything like that happened to you on wifi?

I'm serious guys, but we need a tier list made ASAP so that we can avoid these kind of situations.

 

[Skiks]

Someone thought my azelf was uber. >__>

 

[SNX7]

Someone thought my azelf was uber. >__>

That's happened to me many, many times. People seem to think that all legendary's are Ubers, which isn't true at all.

 

[Bam]

I know that a lot of legendaries aren't Uber, but I still usually like to battle with no legendaries at all. I dunno, they're just legendary.
~Bam

 

[Bouledogue1990]

lol reminds me of a battle with my friend, I used celebi and he got mad since he said it was uber then i sent out wobbuffet in another battle with him to make him mad and thought i was an idiot for using such a dumb Pokemon, until it beat him using counter and mirror coat alone....he sucks btw

 

[Arkeis]

Yeah, a lot of people outside of Smogon ban all legends. These are the kinds of people who are new to competitive battling in general, never having been able to play against opponents from around the world before. Still I question their logic - they would rather face Tyranitar and Salamence instead of Articuno and Entei.

 

[SNX7]

Yeah, a lot of people outside of Smogon ban all legends. These are the kinds of people who are new to competitive battling in general, never having been able to play against opponents from around the world before. Still I question their logic - they would rather face Tyranitar and Salamence instead of Articuno and Entei.

Lol, I never thought of that before, but you're right.

 

[Violent Storm]

Eh I donno, I can sympathise with some of the people that don't want to battle legendaries, especially if you aren't lucky enough to find/Soft Reset for a good IVed and Natured ones for battling. I can see where it might kinda makes people angry when certain legendaries pop up and "can" unbalance a battle where two teams were otherwise fairly evenly matched up. (Now I am not saying that the existance of a legendary on a team automatically unbalances a matchup against a team without a legendary, I am just saying in certain situations it can lead to a win for the team with the legendary where otherwise perhaps a loss "could" be forthcoming).

I also think a lot of newer battlers really interchange the terms Legendary and Uber too much which obviously these two terms are NOT interchangable... And most really have no idea what the term Uber really refers to.

With that said, there is a lot of over whining about the legendary/uber issue at times, and can get really annoying when people won't battle you because you carry a legendary.

I do think another problem is the common perception (or misconception as it were) that using a legendary takes no skill and can lead to one side overpowering the other without any kind of strategy involved whatsoever (this is also far from reality, but could possibly be the common perception which lead to many having an attitude against any legendaries).

I hope some of these points are well founded, I am sure not all of them pertain to everyone obviously, but those are for the most part my 2 cents.

 

[Bouledogue1990]

I do think another problem is the common perception (or misconception as it were) that using a legendary takes no skill and can lead to one side overpowering the other without any kind of strategy involved whatsoever (this is also far from reality, but could possibly be the common perception which lead to many having an attitude against any legendaries).

yeah some guy sent Dialga in against my staraptor and didnt even get a hit on me, one close combat on the switch and one before he attacked. of course it was a freshly caught Dialga w/ sucky nature but he thought it was a sure win just because it was on the cover of the game.

 

[YJiang]

yeah some guy sent Dialga in against my staraptor and didnt even get a hit on me, one close combat on the switch and one before he attacked. of course it was a freshly caught Dialga w/ sucky nature but he thought it was a sure win just because it was on the cover of the game.

Imagine my surprise when my Charizard DIDN'T beat my rival's Blastoise in Pokemon red ;)

 

[Forsety]

Though funny thought is the idea behind most of the legendaries being allowed in Advance is it diversifies the game.

It actually somewhat does the opposite in D/P since everyone's mother, uncle and dog packs Cresselia as a wall despite there being a multitude of alternative options.

Since theres very little which can take hits well and everything has had major upgrades in terms of offense it seems simpler to get something which doesn't have to specialize as much.

Competitive play is already heavily limited in that at least one of those powerhouses is bound to showup. But when you release a multitude of raw powerhouses back into the metagame it effectively pushes those who may have had viability despite being weak straight into UU. You've basically raised the bar alot higher and that messes up alot who may have only just been holding out.

If you throw Cresselia out then the only all-round wall is Dusknoir. But people will become smart and start countering it directly forcing you to try others varieties or specialists. But you add another wall back in and theres little reason to consider anything outside of those two.

Though I expect a ton of holes in my ramblings since I'm half asleep while typing this.

 

[Ryo]

Those people would not know about the tier list anyway so it won't help. People with that attitude suck so you can beat them with non legends anyway.

 

[Forsety]

Those people would not know about the tier list anyway so it won't help. People with that attitude suck so you can beat them with non legends anyway.

Well said. I think the bigger problem is actually trying to promote diversity with the actual competitive players. Casual players usually won't last long if you know what your doing. But throw powerhouses into a knowledgable persons hands and everything dies too fast.

 

[Alienjesus]

Yeah, a lot of people outside of Smogon ban all legends. These are the kinds of people who are new to competitive battling in general, never having been able to play against opponents from around the world before. Still I question their logic - they would rather face Tyranitar and Salamence instead of Articuno and Entei.

alas poor articuno, doomed by bloody stealth rock.
seriously though, articuno was never THAT bad, and to be honest, he was one of my favourites.

now though, hes gonna be overlooked and overpowered by basically everything. what with stealth rock, everything under the sun packing rock slide and special type rock moves, hes been shot down from the skies.

 

[sanjay120]

Did we forget ENTEI. Fuck GF not giving him Flare Blitz. Fuckfuckfuck.

Also Banette. She needed the evo more than Clops.

 

[Great Sage]

Tyranitar is much more scary than any legendary Pokemon with the possible exception of Azelf. Don't pay any attention to those people; just take the win and leave.

 

[btway]

Eh I donno, I can sympathise with some of the people that don't want to battle legendaries, especially if you aren't lucky enough to find/Soft Reset for a good IVed and Natured ones for battling. I can see where it might kinda makes people angry when certain legendaries pop up and "can" unbalance a battle where two teams were otherwise fairly evenly matched up.

I think that makes sense for a lot of wifi trainers, but less on nb. and since i just found out that my friend's azelf had 31 in speed and 29 in spatk on his first try, it might be logical to be a little bit mad at legendaries like that.

 

[Carl]

It happens. Best advice is to either stick with opponents you know share the same views in terms of what is legal and what isn't.. verify beforehand etc.. or play the way you want against whoever you want and just keep in mind that sometimes people are going to complain and just ignore it. You see it on NetBattle every now and again.. especially on other servers. Sometimes I try to reason with them and other times I just completely ignore it.

 

[Shady]

Yeah Thats true a lot of people think some legends are ubers. They dont know much about pokemon and think legends are stronger than regular pokemon, When some are weaker than regular pokemon.

 

[Easton]

Yeah, that's what I hate the most about the fourth generation: too many hard-hitting pokemon like stupid Garchomp force you to use stuff like Cresselia, and that extremely lowers the diversity of the standard metagame. I can't pick which pokemon I like simple because threats like Gyarados are enough of an excuse to force me to use the same, boring standards all the time. It's like on netbattle, where everyone has ended up using the same standard pokes. Diversity is one thing we need, but we can't obtain it if we don't ban pokemon like Garchomp or Gengar for that matter. Me can't use the pokemon we like just because of these stupid threats. That is what bothers me. I have to freakin use Blissey or Cresselia to effectively counter a Salamence that may carry CSpecs.

Because of these threats, I have to use the only pokemon which effectively counter, which I don't even like in the first place but then I have no option

 

[Sir Spanky]

Eh I donno, I can sympathise with some of the people that don't want to battle legendaries, especially if you aren't lucky enough to find/Soft Reset for a good IVed and Natured ones for battling.

You just contradicted yourself there! Just because people aren't willing to put the time and effort (not luck) into resetting for legendaries doesn't mean they should feel the right to ban them...

 

[Violent Storm]

To Forsety: Bronzong says Hi...

For reference on the whole "even stat" wall thing...
Cresselia: 120 HP, 120 Def, 130 SD

Compare that to
Uxie: 75 HP, 130 Def, 130 SD
Dusknoir: 45 HP, 135 Def 135 SD
My Personal Favorite:
Bronzong: 67 HP 116 Def, 116 SD
If it wasnt for its terrible Bug/Flying Typing there is Vespiquen:
HP 70, Def 102, SD 102

And some others... and you can see why people start to hate Cress with its "Rediculous" 120 HP Base...

Edit: To Spanky specifically... Its not a contradiction, some people arent lucky enough(Ok lucky is a bad word, how about persistant or patient?) to get a good nature and IVed Legend without resetting 250 million times, While their friends could get one in one single try, thats the point there. That point came off wrong. My point was that some people get lucky enough in one try while others have to reset a bunch of times. And eventually some people will get frustrated at it.

 

[Hippo]

I know that a lot of legendaries aren't Uber, but I still usually like to battle with no legendaries at all. I dunno, they're just legendary.
~Bam

Yeah, i don't like legendary battles. for the most part, they're better than normal pokes and most have great move pools.

It happens. Best advice is to either stick with opponents you know share the same views in terms of what is legal and what isn't.. verify beforehand etc.. or play the way you want against whoever you want and just keep in mind that sometimes people are going to complain and just ignore it. You see it on NetBattle every now and again.. especially on other servers. Sometimes I try to reason with them and other times I just completely ignore it.

Yeah, thats my plan, i only plan on battling people who don't have any legendaries. Or one tops, and i'll have to use the damn Cress because ever poke is over used and shes the only decent wall really. (Aside from pink egg whores)

Yeah Thats true a lot of people think some legends are ubers. They dont know much about pokemon and think legends are stronger than regular pokemon, When some are weaker than regular pokemon.

Well, the ones that are stronger get use, while the ones that are weaker will never be seen. You can't say "legendaries are ok, because theres good legends and bad", only good ones will see use...

I just don't like legendary pokes. They usually have better stats and a better move pool than regular pokes, and really just get ridiculous.

 

[porygon3]

yeah some guy sent Dialga in against my staraptor and didnt even get a hit on me, one close combat on the switch and one before he attacked. of course it was a freshly caught Dialga w/ sucky nature but he thought it was a sure win just because it was on the cover of the game.

I'm going to go beat everyone with a Pikachu.

Anyway though, I hate when people are that ignorant (I think that's the right word here) where they just automatically assume that a legendary is an uber without giving it a second thought. Now, some of them I can obviously see why (things that actually are ubers, like Dialga, Lugia and etc.), but things like Entei and all 4 Regis except Regice obviously don't belong in the same category as these better pokemon.

As Violent Storm said, there are other options besides Cresselia, but none of them have the same monstruous stats, and decent attacking options, like Cresselia. There's Blissey, but the lack of Def makes it argueably worse than Cresselia and, obviously, less ideal at taking physical hits

 

[DMFG]

some people arent lucky enough(Ok lucky is a bad word, how about persistant or patient?) to get a good nature and IVed Legend without resetting 250 million times, While their friends could get one in one single try, thats the point there. That point came off wrong. My point was that some people get lucky enough in one try while others have to reset a bunch of times. And eventually some people will get frustrated at it.

There are some people lucky enough to get a 31/31/31/31/31/31 correct natured poke after breeding for 5 minutes, even though 99.9% of us have to spend hours and hours just to get a reasonable IV'd poke. Does that mean we should ban breeding?