PS works fine for me on iPhone if you have a wifi connection, but I've only played random battle on iPhone cuz I can't imagine trying to use the team builder on the little screen.PS is unplayable for me on my iPhone, the lag is unbearable and ends up crashing Safari on my phone. I think it's just too intensive to maintain with an iPhone's processing power, idk
Could you be more specific? What sort of motivation are you looking for?Just so you guys know, I'm gonna need A LOT OF MOTIVATION in order to use Pokemon Showdown, or else I'm gonna quit Smogon... Sorry, but that's the truth :(
Why is this? What do you want on Pokemon Showdown that you can't get on Pokemon Online (this is not a rhetorical question; I, and the developers want your answer)? Instead of making pointless comments like this, help the simulator by suggesting features and finding flaws that could be improved! We're a team here: if there is something you want to see on the simulator that is feasible for the programmers to implement, then it will be added to the sim.Just so you guys know, I'm gonna need A LOT OF MOTIVATION in order to use Pokemon Showdown, or else I'm gonna quit Smogon... Sorry, but that's the truth :(
I just have to say that EVEN WITH all the active development done to improve PS, the vast majority of players DO find it CURRENTLY to be "superior" (probably thanks to the animations, lack of need to download a special client, and lack of lag).If you disagree with me, that is fine, but please stop calling it a "superior" sim, because that is simply and obviously not true.
This is a problem, and doesn't really address what i was talking about. Running a "mini-chrome" that takes me to the same web interface is not an acceptable solution to my problem, as the google scripts are still running on my computer. I do not allow google to run scripts unless absolutely necessary, and especially not google-analytics. Chrome is basically spyware and I would never install it.As for noscript, I believe you can actually download a PS "Client" (that's really just a mini Chrome that takes you straight to PS) that should have all the proper configurations and should remove the necessity of you needing to change the settings of your main browser.
"just because we own a particular device we SHOULDN'T be allowed access to a high quality sim?"Don't you have a real computer too? you have access to a high quality sim, just not on every single device. should those of us with real computers have to use a worse sim just because it works better on your silly ipad?What are they, these other superior aspects? First off is that aspect you thoroughly dismissed as only beneficial to the "douchebags" such as myself with "high priced toys" as you do kindly put them. So just because we own a particular device we SHOULDN'T be allowed access to a high quality sim?
i am aware of the spamming "problem" on the PO server, and it was sometimes annoying, but not really that bad (I've seen much worse anyway). Do you really think that spammers cant spam PS just as well as PO? spam is spam, the spammers just haven't migrated yet, but they will soon enough, and you'll be in the same situation. Retreating like cowards from half-assed babyspammers is hardly a reason to abandon a perfectly fine program.Secondly, you might not have been aware but our last server had bad spammer problems that were hard to deal with for various reasons. With such a great dev team as with PS, we have all the right materials to protect against these occurrences, so the server won't be crashed and unavailable for periods of time.
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I just have to say that EVEN WITH all the active development done to improve PS, the vast majority of players DO find it CURRENTLY to be "superior" (probably thanks to the animations, lack of need to download a special client, and lack of lag).
lack of need to download a special client.
This is the last thing we need, it's a slippery slope before the whole server becomes a facebook social networking thing. adding that also means even more invasive scripts. we need *less* scripts.I'd like the ability to log in with my Google account (Twitter, Facebook, OpenID, etc.; everyone probably has at least one of those) rather than create yet another completely separate account.
Are you serious ?Long story short, I'm sorry to be so negative about something some of you clearly have a (financial?) stake in
I saved you my contribution to the you're-wrong-here's-why party because other people pipped me to the post, but you're really tempting me to go pull it out of the bin and air it again.This is the last thing we need, it's a slippery slope before the whole server becomes a facebook social networking thing. adding that also means even more invasive scripts. we need *less* scripts.
Well its nice to see that when I take the time to point out some problems and represent a dissenting and valid viewpoint, I get called a paranoid jerk for my troubles. You are ok with a website running whatever scripts it wants on your machine, fine, but I am not. datamining stuff like google analytics has no place as a required script on a site like PS, it doesnt provide any added function for the user, it is just a piece of spyware. I know lots of sites have it, but most sites still work with it blocked. lol, sure, in 2003 we had to worry about script kiddies, in 2012 I'm a lot more concerned about corporate scripts. Whether you think I'm paranoid or not doesn't matter. what matters is that unnecessary scripts are being made mandatory.I saved you my contribution to the you're-wrong-here's-why party because other people pipped me to the post, but you're really tempting me to go pull it out of the bin and air it again.
I'll be blunt: you're paranoid, and might need to seek help. It's not 2003 anymore; JavaScript is not the enemy, web developers are not mindless twelve-year-olds copypasting virus-laden code snippets from how-to-website tutorials hosted on GeoCities, and you do not need to permanently encase yourself in e-carbonite to prevent the internet worms from creeping into your brain.
When you add that stuff to a site, it makes facebook and twitter etc money, and also makes the google script datamining more profitable. Its not "safety" I'm worried about, it's privacy. Do you understand the difference? I never mentioned "safety", because the idea of "safety" on computers is ridiculous, there is nothing NOT "safe" on a computer, unless it catches fire lol. Viruses aren't a problem, spyware is. That's all social network integration in 3rd party websites is, another form of spyware. That's not paranoia, it's just an understanding of how capitalism works. I don't care what other sites do, but a pokemon sim is the last place stuff like this should be, for reasons of both enjoyability as well as legality.Using OpenID (or Twitter, Facebook etc. or whatever) to log on to a website is the same as using a passport when travelling to a foreign country - one document (website) verifies your identity no matter where you travel. It's drastically safer than having Zarel store yet another password on his system; virtually nobody takes sane precautions by using a different password everywhere they go because meatware for the most part isn't that flexible. It's not going to lead to social network hell any more than passports are going to lead to a single world government controlled by the UN.
Oh my god, you have no clue. What are you worried about? You really think Google is the only company that records information if you go on a website with their script, or using their browser? Every single website's server records the same information about what you do, your IP address and what-not, there is no need to be so irrationally worried about Google. You seriously need to look up the definition of "spyware".This is a problem, and doesn't really address what i was talking about. Running a "mini-chrome" that takes me to the same web interface is not an acceptable solution to my problem, as the google scripts are still running on my computer. I do not allow google to run scripts unless absolutely necessary, and especially not google-analytics. Chrome is basically spyware and I would never install it.
I didn't call you paranoid for presenting a dissenting opinion, I called you paranoid because you're obsessing over the idea Google might somehow make money off OpenID. (Go look it up, it's just a system where I can use Google as a trusted authority to vouch for my identity rather than storing sensitive data - a password - on a site I don't necessarily trust.)Well its nice to see that when I take the time to point out some problems and represent a dissenting and valid viewpoint, I get called a paranoid jerk for my troubles.
Most of your complaints were already addressed in the thread, it's not my fault you didn't bother reading it. As it happens you specifically picked on two things that had been individually called out previously as "will happen, not a priority right now because more important things aren't finished".You can be as smug and condescending as you want, and play the immature "we're right so there" game, but none of you PS defenders have actually addressed many of my points. I doubt you even read the whole thing, just cherrypicked a few parts to set up a strawman argument with.
So you're unashamedly biased against it from the outset because you don't like the web as a platform.PS will never be as good as PO as long as it is a browser sim.
Fine, let's talk privacy. Compare two scenarios: Joe Bloggs, typical Internet user, wants to use services on the internet. In scenario A he logs onto everything using OpenID from his Google account; in scenario B he registers a new account on each site with the same password (because he's a typical Internet user; he can't remember lots of passwords). In scenario A he has exactly one point of failure so all his (and Google's) effort can be concentrated on building the best possible basket to hold all those eggs. In the latter case any site being compromised can allow bad guys to get at his online identity, with disastrous results.Its not "safety" I'm worried about, it's privacy. Do you understand the difference? I never mentioned "safety", because the idea of "safety" on computers is ridiculous, there is nothing NOT "safe" on a computer, unless it catches fire lol.
Hi! Let me introduce myself. I'm Zarel. I made PS. The past few days, I've been working on the ladder and fixing quite a few bugs.I play on the server and rarely post on forums, but i had to weigh in here. some of you keep saying that PS is a "vastly superior" program, but how so? PS is inferior in every way, ( i know it is unfinished).
Is there something specific you don't like about the browser-based interface?browser based interface sucks,
I'm aware of this; cookies are notoriously unreliable, especially when a lot of people disable or clear them frequently. In the long term, I don't want to store anything anyone wants to keep permanently solely in a cookie.storing teams and stuff in cookies is a disaster waiting to happen,
I don't understand this. The chat seems fine to me. The user-list is alphabetical now, I've had several people tell me the chat is less laggy than PO. And you can Ctrl+F to find users, something that PO can't do. Could you clarify what's wrong with the chat?the chat is screwed up and its hard to see who else is online,
While the teambuilder is nowhere near done, I'd like to hear details about what specifically you don't like about the teambuilder.the teambuilder is AWFUL,
This is definitely something planned to be possible.and the animations can't be turned off after the novelty wears off.
You do realize you allow a lot more by downloading a desktop client, right?Further problems I've encountered on PS include the fact that i have to allow scripts
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As for the Google Analytics thing, that may have been a mistake on my part. I just changed it. It should be possible to run without allowing Google Analytics now.including google scripts, to even use it, it does not play nice with noscript, and i am REALLY not keen on allowing google-analytics. if you can make it run without needing any google scripts allowed I might be a little more favorable about it.
I think this is why you're being flamed... this is very insulting. I don't mind if you criticize PS (how else will I improve it?) but insulting human people tends not to go over very well.The only people i can see getting any advantage out of this are douchebags who play on their cellphones and overpriced apple toys.
It's my experience, it's a lot easier to make a good UI in a browser than natively. You'll have to be more specific than "cheap".people with actual computers get no benefit out of PS, it is empirically a WORSE program. I know it is still developing, but unless you can make a separate, non web based version of it that i can download and run outside of my browser, I don't see how many of the problems with it can actually be fixed. Browser based interfaces are *always* awful, and "cheap" feeling. My browser is for surfing the web, not playing games. allowing cookies and scripts to run is a pain in the ass, and even with my very fast internet, it still lags for me when i try to use it. it is much easier to accidentally close a firefox tab than a program as well, or have other stuff you do on other pages screw up the sim.
I think you could be much more specific about what you dislike about the browser-based interface.Seems your minds are made up, but I urge you guys to stay on PO, PS, as a browser interface, will NEVER be as good, browsers have too many variables and limitations. if you make a non-browser version, i may rethink some of my criticism...
If you disagree with me, that is fine, but please stop calling it a "superior" sim, because that is simply and obviously not true.