According to a summary of the previews on 4chan (grains of salt and all that), the EXP Charm is locked behind Ogre Oustin, so at least they're not forcing it down people's throats this time.
I'd still like if you could just turn it off but tying it to the minigame isn't too bad if that's true (knock on wood), especially since between Mochis and Tera Shards it's clearly the thing you're meant to mess with when you're wanting to raise up dudes.
I agree for the most part, but Toxic is much worse than Stealth Rock, at least to me. You can get rid of the latter fairly simply, while there's very few ways to get rid of status conditions. And Badly Poison basically cripples a Mon for the entire game as does increasingly higher DOT.
Actually, the move has been limited since last generation already, just people had not noticed due to the smogon ruling allowing transfer moves.
I have to wonder if we'll ever see an attempt to "rehabilitate" Hidden Power. GF clearly removed it because of how RNG dependent it was (and being a case where Bottlecaps flat-out couldn't fix the issue either, due to how the move worked), but in the process the move has kinda left a hole in high-level Pokemon which we've yet to really fill. Tera Blast kinda fills the niche currently, but there's no chance of it lasting past Gen IX either, so the big question is....what now?
Nevermind that BDSP was made by a separate team and company (ILCA), but also that there's not much of a reason to believe this without more example of this happening. Two moves out of hundreds is not a sample size especially when it's from a spin off title.
Gen 8 was what I was referring to.Actually, the move has been limited since last generation already, just people had not noticed due to the smogon ruling allowing transfer moves.
But don't worry, it's not like there's a trio of probably competitively viable semi-legendaries who toxic by attacking...
BDSP was technically made by a seperate company, but was very strictly watched over by GF and TPC basically every step of the way. That is why the game is near a 1:1 with the originals with zero concerns for proper rebalancing - they most likely just flat-out lacked the permission to do anything significant.
The Toxic nerf carried over to SV though, with nobody able to learn it by level up except for Poison mons.
That's not really new. Most Pokemon already didn't learn it by level up. The majority, vast majority, was through TM. So it's not a "nerf" in that sense.
HP stopped being a TM in swsh and was, as in recall, not even selectable in battle. Quite different from the toxic example. So again, I don't think it's something we can infer from one example (bdsp).
Err... That's not really a mechanic change. That's a design change.
They didn't "scrub it from everything" it's just not a TM anymore, the only non-Volcanion Pokemon that ever got it without using the TM were the Panpour line, who aren't in the game.
I mean it doesn't show the new TMs, so Brutal Swing could just be coming back as one of them and that's where Okidogi gets it, but yeah with actual confirmation that we're getting those TMs with the first batch those movelists are looking pretty fake now.
If all the IoA tutors come back it'll at least have Lash Out?
They're already available, just only via transfer.
I think a design change is still something to note if we're discussing decisions for what they could do rather than explaining what is done in the DLC after we know.
Yeah, I know. I'm talking about available without transfers.
I still say its still worth noting; Toxic has been a TM in every game and the second they limit its availability in another game, is when it stops being a TM in the subsequent game. Especially since they specifically reworked Pokemon HOME to delete a Pokemon's moveset upon being put in SV, which wasn't the case last Gen.
As much as I hate it I can actually kind of understand Stealth Rock on the Chansey/Clefairy/Jigglypuff lines. Happiny carries a rock in its pouch, and the latter two evolve by Moon Stone/are found around Mt. Moon.
The insanely huge movepools of many Gen 1 lines can be traced back to the very early development of RGB. As detailed here, the initial set of Pokemon designed for the game weren't made with types in mind, as that mechanic was only implemented later into development. Hence you have examples like Clefable being able to use Flamethrower and Ice Beam, that make seemingly zero sense from a worldbuilding POV, but are too widely accepted to really cut at this point. Giving them stuff like Stealth Rock just kinda continued where the originals left off.
I'm hoping that Marshadow
will make it in as a HOME transfer; otherwise I guess I'll use an Annihilape 
, nickname it Marshadow, and hope for better luck with part 2.
, Trevenant 
, and Hisuian Arcanine :h-arcanine:. Hopefully H-Growlithe will just be catchable or a gift, but if I guess I'll swap one in from HOME once I catch a regular growlithe.
or Iron Treads 
.
If the move in question was one of those elemental attacks that have rather wide distribution I would agree with this being the reason that they get Stealth Rock, but it's not; instead, it's a status move of a (formerly physical) type that none of the Gen 1 pink blobs are really known to use.
Gliscor, Munkidori, Dipplin and maybe Quagsire
