Moltres (GP: 0/2)

[a fairy]

Taking this over from Delko with permission.

Moltres


QC approvals: PK Gaming, Oglemi, Snunch

[Set]
name: SubRoost Staller
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Roost
move 3: Toxic / Will-o-Wisp
move 4: Flamethrower / Air Slash
item: Leftovers
nature: Timid
evs: 248 HP / 84 Def / 176 Spe

[Set Comments]
<p>Once you look past Moltres' Rock-type weakness, you're bound to notice that it has a good defensive typing for the most part, decent bulk, and the ability Pressure which improves its stalling power. Toxic and Will-o-Wisp are two moves that work similarly, Will-o-Wisp is best suited for crippling physical attackers like Rampardos and Azumarill, while Toxic will drain HP faster, but won't help Moltres tank physical hits. If you're using Will-o-Wisp, Air Slash is the superior option, so as to not be walled by Flash Fire Pokemon. This set is best at stalling out Pokemon that use low PP, such as Fake Out+Last Resort Ambipom.</p>

[Additional Comments]
<p>Pokemon with Rapid Spin are greatly appreciated due to Moltres' 4x weakness to Stealth Rock. Donphan is a good Pokemon to partner with Moltres, as it can spin away and set up Stealth Rock. It also provides good type synergy with Moltres, immune to Electric-types and resisting Rock-types.</p>

[Set]
name: Life Orb Sweeper
move 1: Fire Blast
move 2: Air Slash
move 3: Hidden Power Grass
move 4: Roost
item: Life Orb / Leftovers
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[Set Comments]
<p>When buiding teams, people will think of Moltres, and then discard it, saying it's not effective due to Stealth Rock. However, with proper support, it can plow an unprepared tam with solid STAB moves, great coverage and decent bulk. Fire Blast and Air Slash are the basic STAB moves, Hidden Power Grass provides nice coverage with the other moves, and Roost is to help recover HP lost from attacks and Life Orb. While using a Life Orb boosts yoiur attacking prowess, Leftovers heals you and incteases longevity.</p>

[Additional Comments]
<p>As with any Moltres set, a spinner such as Hitmontop will really help out. Chansey walls this set to all layers of heaven and hell, so a Hitmontop will assist this set by spinning away hazards and removing hazards. Stopping Pokemon from setting up hazards via Taunt or Magic Bounce is also appreciated, however Hitmontop is usually the better option, to give you the upper hand against Chansey. Flame Charge and Agility are interesting moves that can replace Roost, but only if you need the boost to outspeed something. Think wisely, since Roost is usually the superior choice.</p>

[Set]
name: Choice Specs
move 1: Fire Blast
move 2: Air Slash
move 3: Hidden Power Grass
move 4: U-turn
item: Choice Specs
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[Set Comments]
<p>While Life Orb is powerful, Choice Specs is overwhelming, and almost everything that switches in will get hurt. Fire Blast and Air Slash are, you guessed it, STAB moves, while Hidden Power Grass is used as coverage coverage. U-Turn is for when Chansey switches in, thus allowing you to keep your momentum and switch out to the appropriate counter.</p>

[Additional Comments]
<p>A Pokemon that knows Rapid Spin, such as Donphan or Hitmontop, can remove Stealth Rock and increase Moltres' lifespan. Hazards can Moltres when a teammate sets it up, weakening Pokemon such as Chansey and Snorlax, who are able to absorb Moltres' powerful Special Attacks. Overheat can be used over Fire Blast, due to better accuracy and power, but with a side effect of Moltres' Special Attack dropping by two stages. Choice Scarf is possible with this set, making you faster, but you lose the power of Choice Specs.</p>

 

[Mr.Pooh31]

I think an Agility set could be mentioned.
After an Agility it can outspeed a lot and it hits hard with Life Orb still.
Its a good late game sweeper with Fire Blast and Air Slash.

 

[a fairy]

I'm just pushing this through GP, if you look in the old thread, you'll see that an Aglity set got rejected.

 

[breh]

I'm not sure that this thing is still relevant. It's a good RU poke but with things like chandelure in the tier (which just lols at moltres), sandstorm, the inevitability of SR, and Suicune, Moltres does not seem amazing.

 

[kmuffinman]

Unofficial GP Check

Hide

[Set]
name: SubRoost Staller
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Roost
move 3: Toxic / Will-o-wWisp
move 4: Flamethrower / Air Slash
item: Leftovers
nature: Timid
evs: 248 HP / 84 Def / 176 Spe

[Set Comments]
<p>Once looking at Moltres past the you look past Moltres' Rock-type weakness, you're bound to notice that it has a good defensive typing for the most part, decent natural bulk, and just to put the icing on the cake (even if it's very little icing), it has an ability in Pressure, raising it's stalling power just a little more. and the ability Pressure which improves its stalling power. (The sentence was too long imo, especially with the icing on the cake part) Toxic and Will-Oo-Wisp are two moves that work similaraly to each other similarly, however, Will-Oo-Wisp is best suited for hitting physical pokemon crippling physical attackers like Rampardos and Azumarill, while Toxic will drain HP more faster, but won't help Moltres tank physical hits. If you're using Will-Oo-Wisp, Air Slash is the superior option, so as to not be walled by Flash Fire Pokemon.</p>

[Additional Comments]
<p>Pokemon with Rapid Spin isare greatly appreaciated appreciated due to the Rock-type weakness, leading to a large weakness to Stealth RockMoltres' 4x weakness to Stealth Rock. Donphan is a good Pokemon to partner with Moltres, because it can Rapid Spin, and set up Stealth Rockas it can spin away and set up Stealth Rock.</p>

[Set]
name: Life Orb Sweeper
move 1: Fire Blast
move 2: Air Slash
move 3: Hidden Power Grass
move 4: Roost
item: Life Orb / Leftovers
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[Set Comments]
<p>When buiding teams, people will think of Moltres, and then discard it, saying it's not worrisome enough effective due to Stealth Rock. However, with proper support, it can just plow an unprepared tam with solid STAB moves, great coverage and decent bulk. Fire Blast and Air Slash are the basic STAB moves, and Hidden Power Grass provides nice coverage with the other moves, and Roost is to help recover HP lost from attacks and Life Orb. Life Orb is for boosting your attacking prowess, and Leftovers heals you little by little.While using a Life Orb boosts your attacking prowess, Leftovers heals you and increases longevity.</p>

[Additional Comments]
<p>As per usual, with any Moltres set, a spinner such as Hitmontop will really help out Moltres. Chansey walls this set to all layers of heaven and hell, so a Hitmontop will really assist this set by spinning away hazards and removing Chansey. Of course, if you manage to stop Pokemon from setting up hazards via Taunt or Magic bounce Espeon are appreciated, but Hitmontop can not only spin away hazards, but remove Chansey. Stopping Pokemon from setting up hazards via Taunt or Magic Bounce is also appreciated, however Hitmontop is usually the better option. Flame Charge and Agility are intresting interesting moves, but should only be used over Roost that can replace Roost, and but only if you need the boost to outspeed something you need to. Think wisely, since Roost is usually the superior choice.</p>

[Set]
name: Choice Specs
move 1: Fire Blast
move 2: Air Slash
move 3: Hidden Power Grass
move 4: U-turn
item: Choice Specs
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[Set Comments]
<p>While Life Orb is powerful, Choice Specs is overwhelming, if you don't mind the restriction of only using only one move. Everything that will switch in, if Moltres hits it, it will get hurt, aside immunities. and almost everything that switches in will get hurt. Fire Blast and Air Slash are, you guessed it, STAB moves, while HP Hidden Power Grass is used ascoverage, again. U-Turn is when Chansey switches in, and then gets scared out by whatever Chansey counter you have on your team.for when Chansey switches in, thus allowing you keep your momentum and switch out to the appropriate counter.</p>

[Additional Comments]
<p>A Pokemon that knows Rapid Spin, such as Donphan or Hitmontop, assists Moltres greatly, due to Moltres' weakness to Stealth Rock. can remove Stealth Rock and increase Moltres' lifespan. However, hazards helps Hazards can help Moltres when a teammate sets it up, helping weaken down weakening Pokemon such as Chansey and Snorlax, who like absorbing who are able to absorb Moltres' powerful Special Attacks. Overheat can be used over Fire Blast, due to its better accuracy and power, but with a side effect of losing some power. Moltres' Special Attack dropping by two stages. Choice Scarf is possible with this set, making you faster, but you lose the power of Choice Specs.</p>

 

[Cherub Agent]

you need OO, checks and counters, DW and the overview

 

[Lemonade]

In addition to above, I would like to see more comments before I GP this. A two sentence AC about something pretty obvious is not helpful to readers. Be specific; for example, what is SubRoost good at stalling out? What partners can take advantage of this? Just because you're pushing this through GP doesn't mean you can't tamper with the writing, adding or rephrasing the prose.

PS you didn't even mention Donphan's defensive synergy!

 

[a fairy]

In addition to above, I would like to see more comments before I GP this. A two sentence AC about something pretty obvious is not helpful to readers. Be specific; for example, what is SubRoost good at stalling out? What partners can take advantage of this? Just because you're pushing this through GP doesn't mean you can't tamper with the writing, adding or rephrasing the prose.

PS you didn't even mention Donphan's defensive synergy!

Done, I hope.

 

[Rakan]

Uhh... where are the checks and counters, other options, and dreamworld sections? Also, you still need to flesh out your comments more. 2 sentences ain't gonna cut it. Elaborate more, especially what V0x recommended.

 

[a fairy]

The RU analysis has them...

I'll flesh it out, give me a bit, though.

 

[Rakan]

Each tier needs its own CC and OO as they will be different for each tier...

 

[a fairy]

I did not realize that.

 

[JockeMS]

And don't forget about the Overview as well when you're at it. As well as the DW section.

 

[Oglemi]

LS has expressed that this would better be assigned to someone else, locking and moving