SM OU "I'll Make a Man out of You" 1824 ELO

[Flame from Heaven]

Team at a Glance

Introduction
Hello everyone, to celebrate my name change, I am going to post this RMT that I have had a lot of fun with. So, lets get onto the team.

Teambuilding Process

I decided to build around Stakataka. I am a huge fan for this mon, and I actaully believe that it is pretty underrated atm.

The main problem with building with Stakataka is that it does not pair very well with most wallbreakers that don't use the Z-Move Slot. Mega Heracross is an exception, however. Heracross obliterates all of Stakataka's checks, breaks stall for it, and can also take advantage of Trick Room.

I then added a Landorus to check Ground-types, set up sneaky pebbles, and for a defensive pivot.

Originally, this was a AV Magearna. However, then Rain and Ash-Greninja was a huge problem because I had no "real" Water-resists. So I replaced it with Ferrothorn.

Then I added Tapu Koko because I needed a Defogger and a Hawlucha and a Toxapex check. I decided to use the Shuca Berry set to lure Lando for Stakataka.

To round off the team, I added Scarf Heatran to counter Volcarona, pressure Steel Types, and for some Speed Control.

Psyspam was an autolose with Scarf Heatran, as well as Focus Blast SG Magearna, so I replaced Heatran with Blacephalon.

The Team

Stakataka @ Rockium Z
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
IVs: 15 Def / 0 Spe
Lonely Nature
- Trick Room
- Gyro Ball
- Stone Edge
- Superpower
Stakataka is the team's primary wincon, though it can also act as a Wallbreaker in certain teams. I chose to use Superpower over Earthquake to hit Kartana and Ferrothorn. A lot of people hate this mon because it supposedly struggles to take on bulkier teams, and to an extent, they are right. Against Balanced Teams however, Stakataka ahniliates them after some chip on Pex. Stakataka also does a nice job at taking on Lucha offense after some chip on Lando or if it gets lured by Koko.
252+ Atk Stakataka Continental Crush (180 BP) vs. 248 HP / 8 Def Toxapex: 225-265 (74.2 - 87.4%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock, 1 layer of Spikes, and Black Sludge recovery

Heracross @ Heracronite
Ability: Guts
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Close Combat
- Substitute
- Rock Blast
- Swords Dance
Heracross is the teams main way of Wallbreaking and breaking Stall. Swords Dance is used over Earthquake since Pex can not wall Heracross after Swords Dance. Substitute is used to dodge Mega Sableyes Will-o-Wisp and Chanseys Toxic to break Stall much more consistently. Sometimes Heracross can take advantage of Trick Room and sweep the opposing team because their check now gets outran.

Landorus-Therian @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP / 112 Def / 144 Spe
Impish Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- Hidden Power Ice
- U-turn
Landorus is here to check Ground Types and to set up Stealth Rock. Hidden Power Ice is nice to smack other Lando, putting them in the range of Stakataka's Gyro Ball. The Speed EVs are here to outspeed Heatran. Pretty basic, moving on.

Ferrothorn @ Leftovers
Ability: Iron Barbs
EVs: 252 HP / 48 Def / 208 SpD
Careful Nature
- Spikes
- Leech Seed
- Power Whip
- Knock Off
Ferrothorn is the teams main way of dealing with Rain and to check Tapu Koko. Knock Off is used to cripple Heatran, making it easier to wear down. I have been considering Protect to ease the Hawlucha matchup and to ease the pressure on Ferrothorn.

Tapu Koko @ Shuca Berry
Ability: Electric Surge
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Thunderbolt
- Volt Switch
- Hidden Power Ice
- Defog
Tapu Koko is here to check Toxapex and Hawlucha, to lure Lando, and to provide Defog support. It also is here to check other Flying-types like Tornadus and Pinsir for Heracross.

Blacephalon @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Hasty Nature
- Overheat
- Flamethrower
- Shadow Ball
- Explosion
Blacephalon is this teams main way of Speed Control and way of checking Volcarona. Usually, Scarf Heatran is the better option, but this team would then have huge problems with SG Magearna and Psyspam.
Proof

Importable
http://pokepast.es/bffc267b918b23f1
Feel more than free to suggest changes so long as you do not change Stakataka.

Replays

http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7ou-727887479
Hides room to avoid public humiliation.
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7ou-728035580
Was a bad matchup but the WALL came through.
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7ou-728954046
The fool used Knock Off, giving me a freebie setup opportunity.
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7ou-728989153
Vs Hazard Stack, slightly lower rating due to tilt.
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7ou-729975349
Vs Stall
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7ou-730524081
Was playing awful because I was tired but the WALL saved my ass
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7ou-731411735
Vs Lucha Offense.
More coming soon.

Threatlist

Heatran is very annoying for this team to switch into unless if you play well with Lando and Heatran. Thankfully, Landorus can revenge kill it.

Blacephalon can revenge kill it, but it very difficult to switch into and you can only use Explosion once. Try to get up Rocks ASAP so you can revenge kill with Overheat.

Hoopa U is an absolute nightmare to deal with. My only two Pokémon that outspeed it fail to revenge kill it reliably, and I have no good switch ins for this. Thankfully, it is pretty rare atm.

Finally, Medicham is a huge threat to my team because I have no good switchins for it and it can stall out Trick Room with Fake Out.

 

[itsjustaperplane]

Hey man , good RMT and good team you got here ! I was testing it , I really enjoyed playing with and it does a great job

However , there are some threats in all teams , this one is no exception :

: Fire-types in general are a pain for your team , but Volcarona with HP Ground is probably the more threatening , at +1 , it OHKO almost all the team (DD Charizard-X and Heatran are also very threatenings)

Calcs

+1 252 SpA Volcarona Hidden Power Ground vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Stakataka: 400-472 (122.6 - 144.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+1 252 SpA Volcarona Fire Blast vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Heracross-Mega: 530-626 (175.4 - 207.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+1 252 SpA Volcarona Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-Therian: 333-393 (87.1 - 102.8%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO after Leftovers recovery
+1 252 SpA Volcarona Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 208+ SpD Ferrothorn: 744-880 (211.3 - 250%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+1 252 SpA Volcarona Fire Blast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Tapu Koko: 349-412 (124.1 - 146.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+1 252 SpA Volcarona Hidden Power Ground vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Heatran: 384-452 (118.8 - 139.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

And it's not that hard for Volcarona to setup : Heatran not locked into Stone Edge and Ferrothorn (or even Tapu Koko if no Stealth Rock) are setup fodders for it

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: Rain-teams are threatening to your team , you can't pressure them that much , and if your Ferrothorn is weakened (or if Swampert run the rare Superpower) , good luck for not being sweeped

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: Your team don't like to switch into M-Latios and have trouble to break it since the only switch in to it is Ferrothorn (and HP Fire isn't impossible) and the only thing that can really break Latios is Heracross , and it gets OHKO'ed by Psychic

Changes :

-Major Change:

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: I really prefer AV Tapu Bulu over Ferrothorn as a water resist here , I gave it Stone Edge to lure the Fire-types who'll think they're safe , it's giving you an extra-Zygarde check too

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: Since you don't have Spikes anymore , I put Scarf Greninja over Shuca Tapu Koko , so you can revenge kill Kartana and Volcarona easily , still a fast pivot

-Minor Change:

: There's no defogger now , so I just put Defog > Stealth Rock

: I changed Heatran too , you already have a Scarf , so I made it an Utility one , gave it Stealth Rock because you don't have it

-Optional Change:

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: You can make the Stakataka Chople Berry so you can place Trick Room vs Hawlucha (If it's not at +2) , Lopunny and Scarf Kartana locked into Sacred Sword , and since you don't have a Z-Move anymore , you can use the Flyium Z on your defensive Landorus-T to lure Hawlucha , Pinsir and that can help vs the likes of Tangrowth for your Stakataka (You can also play Defog Zapdos over Landorus-T , but there will not be any Electric immunity)

Calcs

Stakataka :
252+ Atk Hawlucha High Jump Kick vs. 252 HP / 0- Def Chople Berry Stakataka: 218-260 (66.8 - 79.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 252+ Atk Hawlucha Drain Punch vs. 252 HP / 0- Def Chople Berry Stakataka: 254-300 (77.9 - 92%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+1 252 Atk Kartana Sacred Sword vs. 252 HP / 0- Def Chople Berry Stakataka: 226-266 (69.3 - 81.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Kartana Sacred Sword vs. 252 HP / 0- Def Chople Berry Stakataka: 150-178 (46 - 54.6%) -- 57.8% chance to 2HKO
252 Atk Lopunny-Mega High Jump Kick vs. 252 HP / 0- Def Chople Berry Stakataka: 264-312 (80.9 - 95.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Landorus :
+1 252+ Atk Hawlucha Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 240+ Def Landorus-Therian: 183-216 (47.9 - 56.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
0 Atk Landorus-Therian Supersonic Skystrike (175 BP) vs. +1 152 HP / 0 Def Hawlucha: 440-518 (131.3 - 154.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
-1 252 Atk Aerilate Pinsir-Mega Return vs. 252 HP / 236+ Def Landorus-Therian: 118-141 (30.8 - 36.9%) -- 71.3% chance to 3HKO
+1 252 Atk Aerilate Pinsir-Mega Return vs. 252 HP / 236+ Def Landorus-Therian: 267-315 (69.8 - 82.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
0 Atk Landorus-Therian Supersonic Skystrike (175 BP) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Pinsir-Mega: 444-524 (163.8 - 193.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
0 Atk Landorus-Therian Supersonic Skystrike (175 BP) vs. 252 HP / 28 Def Tangrowth: 420-494 (103.9 - 122.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Here's the export : https://pokepast.es/6d29f8d94a3fda32 (

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Hope I helped you out !

 

[nubzie]

Hey, I know someone already rated your team but I think I'll leave my 2 cents of a rate here which u hopefully think makes sense. I'm not a believer of huge fancy rates coz most ppl don't tend to use the changes anyways, so what's the point kek?

I know u have this built around stakataka but honestly heatran seems very hard to play around against. Magma tran, which actually runs the ou tier, 2hkos literally everything on ur team and having ur own tran as the primary switchin to it is just not ideal by any means at all in the case of an aggessive earth power predicting that. To look at how big magma tran or rly just any tran is in general, take a step back to see what it can come in on and what it can outspeed. Outspeeds stakataka, heracross, landot, ferro and can take a hit from koko to magma storm something as well.

My only big suggestion here is to replace stakataka with dd zygarde, yea as I said I know u have this built around around stak but defensive typing wise on a bo type team like this, zygarde just offers way more than stak to deal with magma tran, which like I said, runs the tier and its synergy with heracross (which pin missiles bulu/growth) and koko (which hp ices landot or zygarde zoutraging landot to let koko volt freely) wouldn't be any less bad. Zygarde is also considerably bulky and if u keep it healthy u can use to deal with zam which u said was a threat.

Medicham is a problem too. It's been rising in popularity and nothing on u team outspeeds+threatens it with an ohko which is quite a pain in the ass.
I'd say to fix a problem like this w/o butchering the team, u can try using yache berry on landot over lefties to make it easier to play around by pivoting via uturn or quaking once then go koko, which should tank hit coz intimidate. Thunder wave over knock off might be beneficial on ferrothorn to use on medicham coz idiets love switching medi into ferro even on the possible power whip/gyro and possibly hawlucha + volcarona too which r concerns as well. Idt knock matters that much for tran, which would prob be ur main target coz looking at it, it doesn't look like tran needs particulartly needs hp for anything other than to ensure it can take 1 tbolt/volt from koko and proceed to magma storm something.

Movesets can be experimented with too. Alternatives like dual hazards aka. sr+spikes ferro can be considered with defog landot then roost over defog koko for more longevity.

ps. I forgot to mention u should really consider running guts over moxie on heracross. With how fast most most mons r in gen7, something like heracross isn't ever getting more than 1 kill at 1 time usually and it deals with the likes of mew(tran is there but wisp is aids) & pex so u can switch in freely much eaiser which might otherwise give u problems too. Also, I took ur team and made some changes to my own liking and went to get a few games with it and it seemed to work out well for me. I was using sr+twave ferro with defog landot and roost shuca koko (no spikes).

Stuff

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7ou-728761061
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7ou-728765398

Anyhow, I like ur team otherwise I wouldn't have taken it for a spin. That should sum my rate up. Tran is honestly aids for this team to deal with tho xd.

 

[nubzie]

Hey man , good RMT and good team you got here ! I was testing it , I really enjoyed playing with and it does a great job

However , there are some threats in all teams , this one is no exception :

View attachment 109189 : Fire-types in general are a pain for your team , but Volcarona with HP Ground is probably the more threatening , at +1 , it OHKO almost all the team (DD Charizard-X and Heatran are also very threatenings)

Calcs

+1 252 SpA Volcarona Hidden Power Ground vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Stakataka: 400-472 (122.6 - 144.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+1 252 SpA Volcarona Fire Blast vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Heracross-Mega: 530-626 (175.4 - 207.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+1 252 SpA Volcarona Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-Therian: 333-393 (87.1 - 102.8%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO after Leftovers recovery
+1 252 SpA Volcarona Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 208+ SpD Ferrothorn: 744-880 (211.3 - 250%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+1 252 SpA Volcarona Fire Blast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Tapu Koko: 349-412 (124.1 - 146.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+1 252 SpA Volcarona Hidden Power Ground vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Heatran: 384-452 (118.8 - 139.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

And it's not that hard for Volcarona to setup : Heatran not locked into Stone Edge and Ferrothorn (or even Tapu Koko if no Stealth Rock) are setup fodders for it

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View attachment 109193 : Rain-teams are threatening to your team , you can't pressure them that much , and if your Ferrothorn is weakened (or if Swampert run the rare Superpower) , good luck for not being sweeped

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View attachment 109247: Your team don't like to switch into M-Latios and have trouble to break it since the only switch in to it is Ferrothorn (and HP Fire isn't impossible) and the only thing that can really break Latios is Heracross , and it gets OHKO'ed by Psychic

Changes :

-Major Change:

View attachment 109213 > View attachment 109212 : I really prefer AV Tapu Bulu over Ferrothorn as a water resist here , I gave it Stone Edge to lure the Fire-types who'll think they're safe , it's giving you an extra-Zygarde check too

View attachment 109226 > View attachment 109227: Since you don't have Spikes anymore , I put Scarf Greninja over Shuca Tapu Koko , so you can revenge kill Kartana and Volcarona easily , still a fast pivot

-Minor Change:

View attachment 109230: There's no defogger now , so I just put Defog > Stealth Rock

View attachment 109229 : I changed Heatran too , you already have a Scarf , so I made it an Utility one , gave it Stealth Rock because you don't have it

-Optional Change:

View attachment 109231 and View attachment 109232 : You can make the Stakataka Chople Berry so you can place Trick Room vs Hawlucha (If it's not at +2) , Lopunny and Scarf Kartana locked into Sacred Sword , and since you don't have a Z-Move anymore , you can use the Flyium Z on your defensive Landorus-T to lure Hawlucha , Pinsir and that can help vs the likes of Tangrowth for your Stakataka (You can also play Defog Zapdos over Landorus-T , but there will not be any Electric immunity)

Calcs

Stakataka :
252+ Atk Hawlucha High Jump Kick vs. 252 HP / 0- Def Chople Berry Stakataka: 218-260 (66.8 - 79.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 252+ Atk Hawlucha Drain Punch vs. 252 HP / 0- Def Chople Berry Stakataka: 254-300 (77.9 - 92%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+1 252 Atk Kartana Sacred Sword vs. 252 HP / 0- Def Chople Berry Stakataka: 226-266 (69.3 - 81.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Kartana Sacred Sword vs. 252 HP / 0- Def Chople Berry Stakataka: 150-178 (46 - 54.6%) -- 57.8% chance to 2HKO
252 Atk Lopunny-Mega High Jump Kick vs. 252 HP / 0- Def Chople Berry Stakataka: 264-312 (80.9 - 95.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Landorus :
+1 252+ Atk Hawlucha Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 240+ Def Landorus-Therian: 183-216 (47.9 - 56.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
0 Atk Landorus-Therian Supersonic Skystrike (175 BP) vs. +1 152 HP / 0 Def Hawlucha: 440-518 (131.3 - 154.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
-1 252 Atk Aerilate Pinsir-Mega Return vs. 252 HP / 236+ Def Landorus-Therian: 118-141 (30.8 - 36.9%) -- 71.3% chance to 3HKO
+1 252 Atk Aerilate Pinsir-Mega Return vs. 252 HP / 236+ Def Landorus-Therian: 267-315 (69.8 - 82.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
0 Atk Landorus-Therian Supersonic Skystrike (175 BP) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Pinsir-Mega: 444-524 (163.8 - 193.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
0 Atk Landorus-Therian Supersonic Skystrike (175 BP) vs. 252 HP / 28 Def Tangrowth: 420-494 (103.9 - 122.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Here's the export : https://pokepast.es/6d29f8d94a3fda32 (View attachment 109236View attachment 109237View attachment 109238View attachment 109239View attachment 109240View attachment 109243)

Hope I helped you out !

It doesn't really change the magma tran problem, if ur gna suggest using gren as a magma tran resist, which it really isn't at all since scarf usually runs naive and it's at most gna come in once, it's probably better to have low kick over spikes coz what's the point if u can't threaten tran and most ppl would be hella tempted to just stay in coz usually most scarf gren can't threaten tran and too lazy to scout a ladder game yo xd.

 

[nubzie]

Heatran is definitely a problem; that is why I have speed invested defensive Lando and Scarf Heatran. I think you are kind of exaggerating the Heatran weakness. If you play right with Scarf Heatran and Landorus, you can safely switch in to it. Even if you don’t, you can revenge kill it with the other. Not to mention that it can only switch in on Ferrothorn who can cripple it with Knock Off. Just remember that Heatran is a much bigger threat to this team on paper than it is in practice.
I will try out Yache Berry Lando tho, seems like a good idea.

Bro I don't think I am lol, u landot spread is the standard smogon dex 1 u get outspeed and 2hkoed by magma miss storm + playing right with scarf tran is just iffy esp. since u rmted this and every1 who read this will know its scarf tran and god knows they might be more aggressive and earth power a predicted tran switch which I already mentioned earlier. I also said tran doesn't need its lefties for anything lol, it just needs hp to take 1 of either volt/tbolt from koko and magma storm it. Try using guts over moxie on heracross tho its way better.

 

[Flame from Heaven]

Bro I don't think I am lol, u landot spread is the standard smogon dex 1 u get outspeed and 2hkoed by magma miss storm + playing right with scarf tran is just iffy esp. since u rmted this and every1 who read this will know its scarf tran and god knows they might be more aggressive and earth power a predicted tran switch which I already mentioned earlier. I also said tran doesn't need its lefties for anything lol, it just needs hp to take 1 of either volt/tbolt from koko and magma storm it. Try using guts over moxie on heracross tho its way better.

Just realized I put the wrong set in for the rmt, Thanks for the catch!
I will try out Guts on Heracross too.
Edit: I have replaced Heatran with Scarf Blacephalon to ease the Psyspam as well as the SG Magearna matchup. This does increase the Heatran weakness, but basically, you just have to play aggressively. If you see Heatran coming in, double to Lando. This is how most teams check Heatran, since it lacks good switch ins anyway .

 

[MaximizeSayian]

First, I want to say that this is a really cool team! You have a solid offensive core of Stakata and Mega-Heracross that covers a LOT of the meta. I've been working on this for analysis for a few days actually since it's my first time so my analysis was based on having Heatran rather than scarf-Blac. I really agree with your chagne of Scarf-Blac over Heatran,but I'll keep my analysis with Heatran in your team because the main point (the threat) still stands along with the solution!

Second thing is your team, when tapu koko and ferrothron are eliminated, is demolished by an all out attacker Greninja. I really want to emphasize that you are mostly fine with those two are around , but if I was battling you I would make it part of my win condition that I take either one out early. If I pair Greninja w/h either an all out attacker Mega Mawile or the (rarer) Alolan Marowak, your team will have a slim chance of winning due to both pokemons taking out ferrothorn and tapu koko. I'll include the calcs of both expert belt and life orb to show how much of a threat your team is WHEN ferrothron and Tapu Koko are gone.

expert belt and life orb calcs

Calcs with Expert Belt
252 SpA Expert Belt Greninja Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Stakataka: 362-427 (111 - 130.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Expert Belt Protean Greninja Extrasensory vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Heracross-Mega: 259-305 (85.7 - 100.9%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO
252 SpA Expert Belt Greninja Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-Therian: 442-521 (115.7 - 136.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Calcs with Life Orb
252 SpA Life Orb Greninja Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Stakataka: 393-463 (120.5 - 142%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Life Orb Protean Greninja Extrasensory vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Heracross-Mega: 281-330 (93 - 109.2%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO
252 SpA Life Orb Greninja Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-Therian: 478-564 (125.1 - 147.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

My solution would be to replace defensive lando with a choice scarf variant. This works to both offer a better speed control than Heatran and to take out faster mons like Greninja. I agree with the suggest that a utility Heatran is much better to replace scarf Heatran.

 

[Flame from Heaven]

First, I want to say that this is a really cool team! You have a solid offensive core of Stakata and Mega-Heracross that covers a LOT of the meta. I've been working on this for analysis for a few days actually since it's my first time so my analysis was based on having Heatran rather than scarf-Blac. I really agree with your chagne of Scarf-Blac over Heatran,but I'll keep my analysis with Heatran in your team because the main point (the threat) still stands along with the solution!

Second thing is your team, when tapu koko and ferrothron are eliminated, is demolished by an all out attacker Greninja. I really want to emphasize that you are mostly fine with those two are around , but if I was battling you I would make it part of my win condition that I take either one out early. If I pair Greninja w/h either an all out attacker Mega Mawile or the (rarer) Alolan Marowak, your team will have a slim chance of winning due to both pokemons taking out ferrothorn and tapu koko. I'll include the calcs of both expert belt and life orb to show how much of a threat your team is WHEN ferrothron and Tapu Koko are gone.

expert belt and life orb calcs

Calcs with Expert Belt
252 SpA Expert Belt Greninja Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Stakataka: 362-427 (111 - 130.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Expert Belt Protean Greninja Extrasensory vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Heracross-Mega: 259-305 (85.7 - 100.9%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO
252 SpA Expert Belt Greninja Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-Therian: 442-521 (115.7 - 136.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Calcs with Life Orb
252 SpA Life Orb Greninja Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Stakataka: 393-463 (120.5 - 142%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Life Orb Protean Greninja Extrasensory vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Heracross-Mega: 281-330 (93 - 109.2%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO
252 SpA Life Orb Greninja Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-Therian: 478-564 (125.1 - 147.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

My solution would be to replace defensive lando with a choice scarf variant. This works to both offer a better speed control than Heatran and to take out faster mons like Greninja. I agree with the suggest that a utility Heatran is much better to replace scarf Heatran.

Omg you are a genius! I will try this out for sure. I think the Bulky Scarf set fits better because without it I have a huge Zygarde weakness, so I will try that out. Thanks for the rate!

 

[Snou]

Im not going to rate the team but I noticed your Stakataka has the wrong nature. Shouldnt it be "brave" instead of "lonely"?
Oh nvm I saw its for the atk boost

 

[patlop2307]

Hey Flame from Heaven! Solid team, however there are some sets that could be tweaked and Pokémon that could be replaced just because they outclass the other.

What is your team weak to?

: This is more of a nuisance, rather than a plain weakness, but if it finds opportunities to switch-in with the Ferrothorn being chipped or knocked, that thing becomes a real threat to the team. You hardly have any good switch-ins to Greninja's Water+Dark coverage. Water Shuriken also helps dealing with your faster Pokémon on the team, such as Tapu Koko and scarfed Blacephalon as well as dealing with Stakataka under Trick Room.​

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: Zygarde also just annoys your team a ton. You barely have any lures, Landorus can get toxiced depending on the set, and Stakataka is also 4x weak to Zygarde. After your Lando is toxiced, I doubt you can do anything to prevent it from sweeping mid-/end-game.​

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How can you improve your team?

Major Changes:​

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: Greninja is a nice support and momentum-gainer on this team, where as Blacephalon is more of a momentum-drainer on this team, I feel. It gets trapped by Tyranitar should it get the chance to come in and it only does something against. Greninja compresses a lot of roles here: It sets Spikes, it is a faster scarfer, it gets U-turns into Heracross, the list goes on.​

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: Now that Greninja took over Ferrothorn's job as a setter, I think this is the perfect opportunity to fit a Greninja/Zygarde counter onto the team. I decided to go with Stone Edge in this case, so that the team does not instantly lose to Volcarona.​

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: Jirachi is a nice Tapu Lele and Magearna check that can also wish pass. I feel like on this team Wish is especially nice, mainly because of your two breakers being relatively bulky. Jirachi also has access to Stealth Rocks, which is going to be the set I am suggesting.​

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Minor Changes:​

Substitute > Pin Missile (

): I think, because the team does not have something along the lines of Heatran or Clefable, Substitute is necessary to actually be able to handle stall. You get Substitutes on a plethora of Pokémon such as Sableye, Toxapex, or Skarmory. Rock Blast + Close Combat at +2 also hits almost everything that Pin Missle would hit.​

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Defog > Stealth Rocks, Toxic > U-Turn (

): The team needs Defog at this point, in case something goes wrong. I chose Toxic over U-turn because the team seems kind of weak to Hawlucha and Pinsir, so that should be the main way to check those Pokémon.​

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Conclusion:​

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The team did have some holes and I was not able to patch them all. I do think though, that I should have covered quite a few weaknesses without having opened too many. If there is anything wrong with the team, or if you have any suggestions on how to improve my suggestion, feel free to let me know. ​

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With that being said, I hope I helped and have fun with the team! ^^​

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