Isa Simple didn't call you a moron, he said you say dumb things, and that it's strange given how good on ladder you seem to be.
You in turn implied that he is retarded, entirely because you were mad at him.
Please don't pretend these are equivalent. Isa Simple shouldn't have said that, but you escalated quite quickly.
Gyarados isn't Steel.
Manaphy isn't Steel.
Skarmory is Steel but is usually neutral to Ice.
Landorus is rarely Steel, and is still vulnerable to Ice.
Mega Gardevoir isn't Steel.
Quagsire isn't Steel.
Clefable is often not Steel.
Please stop making patently untrue generalizations.
Stop with the personal attacks. Also note that Mega Scizor conflicts with other Megas, so that's a weak criticism.
... since when is Bronzong trapped and unable to switch out of Dragonite? Do you secretly know a hack for giving Dragonite Multiscale+Magnet Pull?
I still disagree with Bisharp being A rank. It really gets very little out of this meta, and some of the things it has held as a nearly unique niche in Standard (Being a vaguely fast, hard-hitting Steel type is one) have been stolen from it by other Pokemon, such as Steel Dragonite. Sticky Web and Defog are rare too, so it's harder to get Defiant triggers, and the main other thing it has (One of the stronger Sucker Punches of the game), though it isn't actually pushed aside by some other Pokemon (All the Pokemon that get Sucker Punch without being Dark have less Attack than it anyway), is much less relevant when almost nothing remains weak to it and a number of things are suddenly resistant. (Such as Dark or Fighting Landorus)
If Dragonite is running Bulky, it won't outspeed after a Dragon Dance. Even if Landorus dies, another Pokemon may be able to take advantage of the Gravity to hit Dragonite, such as Hippowdon, which can survive a +1 Outrage. (In fact, it's not even a for-sure 2HKO) There are Pokemon that suffer in Hidden Type, either because no type is worth adding (Quagsire) while everyone else is powered up, or because other Pokemon shunt them aside, leaving them with no niche, so claiming "no Pokemon is worse in Hidden Type than in Standard" is incorrect.
I have never seen Bug Mega Slowbro nor Ghost Mega Audino and I don't expect to see either of them. I've also only seen Mega Gyarados once, and it was bad.
+1 Iron Head is a 2HKO on both Steel and Fire Mega Altaria. Meanwhile Return without boosting isn't a OHKO even without Multiscale, and Mega Altaria is the same speed as Dragonite -if Mega Altaria switches in on Dragonite going for the Dragon Dance, it's not "Mega Altaria wins", it's "speed tie rolls determine winner".
Bronzong doesn't learn Thunder Wave.
Steel Dragonite is immune to Toxic.
Stop saying stupid shit and then acting like it's other people who are stupid.
Or, if that's too hard for you to accomplish, please kindly stop posting in the thread if your primary contribution is going to continue to be spreading misinformation coupled with insulting other people.
I was initially unconvinced, but yeah it's pretty impressive. I can back this.
Now I'm angry, I'm angry with BS that's why I'm probably going to sound harsh.
I'm ranked number one because I've battled over 150 battles and taken the time to learn the metagame as well as building a great team
Yuck this again,
When did I call him retarded? I called him a Bidoof. You people keep going on and on about personal attack, but in this instance he started. I know you're just heavily biased because of our previous discussion, but it really does feel shitty when you, who has battled 40 battles, senselessly argument for something that's really not viable (Bug. Chansey) He argumented heavily for Mega Abamosnow to be B rank, when I disagreeded and put out arguments he started to call my arguments "Stupid shit" ... F*** that. It basically makes your case irrelevant, you didn't insult me if I remember. You just never. stopped. arguing.
"The things you say are dumb"
"Your personality is goofy"
"STOP ESCALATING" Jesus christ.
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Gyarados isn't Steel.
Manaphy isn't Steel.
Skarmory
is Steel but is usually neutral to Ice.
Landorus is rarely Steel, and is still vulnerable to Ice.
Mega Gardevoir isn't Steel.
Quagsire isn't Steel.
Clefable is often not Steel.
Please stop making patently untrue generalizations.
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What. Is. this? I have no idea what point you're making. Clefable runs steel as well as Fire... I have no clue what you want here. You just mentioned 8 pokemon and said "they don't use steel, therefore nothing uses steel"
Jesus christ
Stop making pointless arguments without any merit nor any point, I literally have no idea what you're trying to say.
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Stop with the personal attacks. Also note that Mega Scizor conflicts with other Megas, so that's a weak criticism.
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I'm not, I'm trying to make him understand what I'm trying to say(You didn't either). First of all, you can use Scizor for this role it's just as good only less bulky with no opportunity cost. Secondly, yes. That's the point. Mega Scizor COMPLETELY outclasses Scyther as a defensive pivot that can sweep late game. that's why I'm argumenting for Scyther being ranked D
Reserved for Pokemon that are highly mediocre in the OU metagame, but are viable enough to justify their use on select teams. These Pokemon are only capable of doing their specific task and fail at doing anything more than that. Pokemon from this rank have multiple crippling flaws that prevent them from being successful a majority of the time, and are often severely outclassed because of it. These Pokemon exert a poor presence in the metagame.
It's outclassed, but has a niche in not having a particular opportunity cost. D RANK
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... since when is Bronzong trapped and unable to switch out of Dragonite? Do you secretly know a hack for giving Dragonite Multiscale+Magnet Pull?
Bronzong doesn't learn Thunder Wave.
Steel Dragonite is immune to Toxic.
Stop saying stupid shit and then acting like it's other people who are stupid.
Or, if that's too hard for you to accomplish, please kindly stop posting in the thread if your primary contribution is going to continue to be spreading misinformation coupled with insulting other people.
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If I have my dragonite versus a Bronzong or something equally passive(like a Cresselia). They can't do anything to me, I can set up on them. But I have other checks to Bronzong. I'm unsure on what they're running, I don't know Bronzong or Cresselias moveset and I'd rather scout than leave my self vulnerable to something like Trick Flame orb, why is why in that situation I would scout. I see the flame orb and then know "ah, alright, scouted" That's the point I was trying to make, and that's a perfectly reasonable argument since you made the "Bronzong can always switch out" argument.
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I still disagree with Bisharp being A rank. It really gets very little out of this meta, and some of the things it has held as a nearly unique niche in Standard (Being a vaguely fast, hard-hitting Steel type is one) have been stolen from it by other Pokemon, such as Steel Dragonite. Sticky Web and Defog are rare too, so it's harder to get Defiant triggers, and the main other thing it has (One of the stronger Sucker Punches of the game), though it isn't actually pushed aside by some other Pokemon (All the Pokemon that get Sucker Punch without being Dark have less Attack than it anyway), is much less relevant when almost nothing remains weak to it and a number of things are suddenly resistant. (Such as Dark or Fighting Landorus)
Sure
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If Dragonite is running Bulky, it won't outspeed after a Dragon Dance. Even if Landorus dies, another Pokemon may be able to take advantage of the Gravity to hit Dragonite, such as Hippowdon, which can survive a +1 Outrage. (In fact, it's not even a for-sure 2HKO) There
are Pokemon that suffer in Hidden Type, either because no type is worth adding (Quagsire) while everyone else is powered up, or because other Pokemon shunt them aside, leaving them with no niche, so claiming "no Pokemon is worse in Hidden Type than in Standard" is incorrect.
I have never seen Bug Mega Slowbro nor Ghost Mega Audino and I don't expect to see either of them. I've also only seen Mega Gyarados once, and it was bad.
I've seen Mega Gyarados multiple times, it's a great pokemon w/ ground. Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it's not a check on stall, balance or offence(hard check). I'm pretty sure I'm going to step back from the Incarnated discussion. I'm unsure on it, but I'm leaning towards A rank.
Dragon + Ground is great coverage, not a lot resist it. It depends what your team needs, you can run Aqua tail for heatran, Tpunch for Tornadus ect ect. Its willy nilly regardless, though Earthquake just allows you to hit the metagame easily, I often find Aqua tail / Equake / Dclaw to be more than enough.
Why should I stop posting in this thread? I'm being dealing as much as I'm dishing out. We really need a blacklist on here