Unless there is something wrong with my calc tool, LO max atk Weavile pretty much destroys Megachomp with Icicle Crash.How does Megachomp hold up against Weavile this gen? Does it get OKOed by Icicle Crash? Considering that some Jolly Weavile sets barely managed to OKO Garchomp with Ice Punch, I get the feeling that trying to use it on a full health Mega Garchomp is not the smartest idea. That physical bulk is impressive to say the least.
Kind of makes me want to try a defensive Mega Garchomp set with Sand Tomb...too bad he loses Rough Skin on mega evolution.
Hm, maybe I was thinking of Ice Shard. I definately recall that -something- only barely KOed Garchomp out of Weavile's ice moveset.Unless there is something wrong with my calc tool, LO max atk Weavile pretty much destroys Megachomp with Icicle Crash.
Did he really have trouble OHKOing Garchomp with Ice Punch in gen5 because that doesn't really match with what I'm seeing?
With Sticky Web support, Megachomp outspeeds Weavile.Hm, maybe I was thinking of Ice Shard. I definately recall that -something- only barely KOed Garchomp out of Weavile's ice moveset.
That said Weavile doesn't need to use Ice Shard against Megachomp.
I run Weavile on my team, and I run Choice Band on my Weavile, so I can OHKO all Garchomps and Mega Chomps with Ice Punch. The only thing my Weavile can't handle is Scarf-Chomp, but I use Flygon and Clefable to deal with that specific threat.How does Megachomp hold up against Weavile this gen?
Yes, you were thinking of Life Orb Weavile. (Which if you plan on running Weavile in OU because you're insane like I am, is bad and you shouldn't do it. To survive in OU, Weavile needs a Choice Band.)Hm, maybe I was thinking of Ice Shard. I definately recall that -something- only barely KOed Garchomp out of Weavile's ice moveset.
You might be able to squeak by the with LO Icicle Crash against normal Garchomp.I run Weavile on my team, and I run Choice Band on my Weavile, so I can OHKO all Garchomps and Mega Chomps with Ice Punch. The only thing my Weavile can't handle is Scarf-Chomp, but I use Flygon and Clefable to deal with that specific threat.
252 Atk Choice Band Weavile Ice Punch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Garchomp: 724-856 (202.23 - 239.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Choice Band Weavile Ice Punch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def MGarchomp: 616-732 (172.06 - 204.46%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Alternatively, you can run Ice Shard and still be able to OHKO all no-defense non-Mega Garchomps.
252 Atk Choice Band Weavile Ice Shard vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Garchomp: 388-460 (108.37 - 128.49%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Choice Band Weavile Ice Shard vs. 4 HP / 0 Def MGarchomp: 336-396 (93.85 - 110.61%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO (Meaning you have a better chance of hitting with Stone Miss or Focus Miss)
Despite all of this... you still can't switch Weavile into Garchomp. =/
252 Atk Garchomp Outrage vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Weavile: 279-328 (99.28 - 116.72%) -- 93.75% chance to OHKO
And that's assuming Garchomp is holding Leftovers. (Which, realistically, it won't be.)
Yes, you were thinking of Life Orb Weavile. (Which if you plan on running Weavile in OU because you're insane like I am, is bad and you shouldn't do it. To survive in OU, Weavile needs a Choice Band.)
252 Atk Life Orb Weavile Ice Shard vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Garchomp: 343-406 (95.81 - 113.4%) -- 75% chance to OHKO
I mean... I guess you could run Swords Dance on Weavile in OU if you can switch in on Alakazam or Reuniclus and use a Swords Dance on a predicted switch-out... but most people aren't going to switch out of Weavile because they anticipate a Pursuit and those Mons run Focus Blast anyways.
Valid point, BUT I personally am so scared of Garchomp that I can't afford to gamble Icicle Crash's 10% miss chance.You might be able to squeak by the with LO Icicle Crash against normal Garchomp.
Weavile doesn't learn Icicle Crash. I'm fairly certain it OHKOs with 4x Weak Ice Punch though (Gen5 Tutor / Gen6 Egg Move)How does Megachomp hold up against Weavile this gen? Does it get OKOed by Icicle Crash? Considering that some Jolly Weavile sets barely managed to OKO Garchomp with Ice Punch, I get the feeling that trying to use it on a full health Mega Garchomp is not the smartest idea. That physical bulk is impressive to say the least.
Kind of makes me want to try a defensive Mega Garchomp set with Sand Tomb...too bad he loses Rough Skin on mega evolution.
Actually, Weavile does learn Icicle Crash this generation. It is an egg move it can learn from the Beartic line. This was not possible in Gen V, but is now possible in Gen VI.Weavile doesn't learn Icicle Crash. I'm fairly certain it OHKOs with 4x Weak Ice Punch though (Gen5 Tutor / Gen6 Egg Move)