DP Bastiodon .

Phuquoph was able to help me with this and told me I could finally post this. Me and Matty were talking on aim and decided that Bastiodon seriously needed a revamp as it was missing a few sets, a Fissure set was listed, and the EVs, Counters, and Opinion sections were lacking. I added a lot of stuff here so get ready.

Current Analysis: http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/bastiodon

My Revamp:

[SET]
name: Defensive Metal Burst
move 1: Taunt
move 2: Metal Burst
move 3: Stealth Rock
move 4: Earthquake / Stone Edge / Iron Head
item: Focus Sash / Leftovers
nature: Relaxed
evs: 252 HP / 228 Def / 28 SpD
ivs: 0 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
<p>Bastiodon and Aggron are the only two Pokemon capable of learning Metal Burst. However with superior Special Defense, Bastiodon is the better choice. Bastiodon also learns a wide variety of support moves allowing you to do something other than just sitting around and waiting to use Metal Burst.</p>

<p>Taunt and Metal Burst is a great combination as Taunt forces the opponent to attack. Once they attack you, Metal Burst can bounce back any blow for a OHKO. Taunt also can catch an opponent on the switch in, preventing faster foes from using Will-O-Wisp or Leech Seed, attacks that will surely ruin Focus Sash or your defensive capabilities. Stealth Rock also helps if the opponent decides to switch out of Taunt. If Bastiodon happens to be faced with Taunt, Earthquake, Iron Head, or Stone Edge will allow you to deal some damage and not be forced to Struggle. Earthquake will take out any Steel-types who take low damage from Stealth Rock. Earthquake also deals with Fire, Electric, and Poison-types, all of whom are common in UU. Stone Edge is a powerful STAB attack that also deals with Fire-types as well as Ice-types. Iron Head also gains a STAB bonus but is not as strong as Stone Edge. However, Iron Head will hit Fighting-types much harder.</p>

<p>Leftovers and Focus Sash are influenced by what you plan on using Bastiodon for. Focus Sash will allow you to survive attacks from the likes of Hitmonlee and Primeape. However Leftovers will guarantee that Probopass never 2HKOs with Earth Power. Focus Sash is the preferred choice but Leftovers must be taken into consideration.</p>

<p>252 HP EVs can give Metal Burst more power as well as increase Bastiodon's bulkiness. 28 Special Defense EVs give you a 100% chance to survive the standard Claydol's Earth Power, even if Stealth Rock damage has been taken. The rest can be poured into Defense as Bastiodon will rarely use attacks on this set. A Speed IV of 0 will ensure that Bastiodon moves last which is needed for Metal Burst to work.</p>

[SET]
name: Offensive Metal Burst
move 1: Curse
move 2: Metal Burst
move 3: Stone Edge
move 4: Earthquake
item: Leftovers
nature: Sassy
evs: 252 HP / 188 Atk / 60 Def / 8 SpD
ivs: 0 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
<p>Bastiodon can also opt for an offensive Metal Burst set. Instead of using support moves, this set relies on boosting Bastiodon's Attack and Defense to obscene levels before using Metal Burst to take down any strong foes.</p>

<p>Curse and Metal Burst is a fabulous combination as Curse allows you to not only survive any Close Combat or Earthquake, but also guarantees to make you slower than everything else, which in turn allows Metal Burst to always go last. Earthquake and Stone Edge are very powerful attacks and will become serious threats after Curse. After a few Curses, one will be hard-pressed to stop Bastiodon meaning you can continue your rampage for a while.</p>

<p>After 2 or more Curses, no physical attack will be able to OHKO Bastiodon. For that reason, there is no need to invest EVs into Defense. Instead, investing in HP and Attack will benefit you more, even giving Bastiodon a chance to sweep. 132 Special Defense EVs give Bastiodon a chance to survive a standard Claydol Earth Power.</p>

[SET]
name: Support
move 1: Rock Blast
move 2: Toxic
move 3: Roar
move 4: Stealth Rock
item: Leftovers
nature: Impish
evs: 252 HP / 188 Def / 68 SpD

[SET COMMENTS]
<p>Bastiodon does learn Rock Blast, allowing you to break most Substitutes. This can be extremely handy for Pokemon such as Scyther and Drifblim, Pokemon that sometimes rely on Substitute. The main goal of this set is to actually utitlize Toxic and Stealth Rock to slowly wear down the opponent.</p>

<p>Toxic and Roar fit snugly into this set as they can help kill your opponents even faster. Roar not only gives the opponent more Stealth Rock damage but also brings in a new victim to use Toxic on. Stealth Rock is a pretty handy move alongside Toxic anyway. If the opponent gets close to dying they will most likely switch to break the Toxic count. The Pokemon that replaces them will then take Stealth Rock damage and hopefully die to Toxic and Rock Blast.</p>

<p>The EVs are similar to the Defensive Metal Burst set but since you have no way to survive Close Combat from strong Fighting-types, one should focus just a bit more on Special Defense to survive a few select special attacks.</p>

[SET]
name: Metal Sound
move 1: Thunderbolt
move 2: Metal Sound
move 3: Hidden Power Ground
move 4: Ice Beam
item: Leftovers
nature: Modest
evs: 252 HP / 48 Def / 208 SpA

[SET COMMENTS]
<p>One might be surprised to hear Bastiodon can utilize Metal Sound fairly well and that Bastiodon has a plethora of special attacks. This set works extremely well with Stealth Rock and Spikes as even a Bastiodon can look scary when you have -2 Special Defense. Thunderbolt and Hidden Power Ground have pretty decent type coverage together and along with Ice Beam, nothing in UU resists them. Combined with Metal Sound, Bastiodon can be a somewhat fierce attacker.</p>

<p>Max Special Attack is not needed as 208 Special Attack EVs and a Modest Nature will kill everything it is meant to after 1 Metal Sound. This namely includes bulky Water-types commonly found in UU. Instead the remaining EVs should be put into Defense to survive weak attacks.</p>

[SET]
name: Curse Talk
move 1: Rest
move 2: Sleep Talk
move 3: Curse
move 4: Iron Head
item: Leftovers
nature: Impish
evs: 252 HP / 52 Atk / 204 Def

[SET COMMENTS]
<p>You may have noticed that Bastiodon lacks the one thing a wall needs; a reliable recovery move. Unfortunately Bastiodon does not have one but this set tries to remedy this with Rest. If you can successfully gain a few Curses, Iron Head will pack a major punch and the opponent won't be able to wear you down to kill you thanks to being able to Rest off any health lost. Sleep Talk is pretty valuable as both Curse and Iron Head can be great options to select.</p>

<p>Although Stone Edge has a higher Base Power, Iron Head will deal much more damage to Fighting and Ground-types, Pokemon that could easily ruin this set if not attended to.

<p>Unlike the Offensive Metal Burst Set, you should focus on Defense when using this set. It is important to make sure nothing can easily 2HKO Bastiodon with physical attacks, otherwise it will fail. Unfortunately this set does fall victim to special attacks, therefore be careful when using it.</p>

[Other Options]
<p>Other special attacks include Ancientpower, Fire Blast, and Flash Cannon but they have poor type coverage. Every other usable option has been mentioned.</p>

[EVs]
<p>252 HP EVs was listed in every set as it gives Bastiodon a much more bulkier HP stat allowing him to survive certain attacks. Defense and Special Defense are good areas to focus on because of how defensively strong Bastiodon is. On attacking sets, one should focus on Attack and Special Attack.</p>

[Opinion]
<p>Bastiodon is usually compared to Aggron and there are some positives and negatives about him. While Bastiodon has much higher Special Defense, Aggron has much higher Attack and Defense meaning it can prove to be much more of a threat. Aggron also has access to a few other support moves such as Thunder Wave and can abuse moves like Substitute much more efficiently. Bastiodon does have a great Special movepool though and great defensive stats. Steel and Rock is a somewhat poor typing giving you a 4x Fighting and Ground weakness. The good news is that thanks to Bastiodons bulkiness, he can sometimes survive said attacks.</p>

[Counters]
<p>Hitmontop is the best counter to Bastiodon thanks to Fake Out and Close Combat. As long as Hitmontop holds a Life Orb, Bastiodon won't stand a chance. Strong Fighting and Ground-type attacks will do Bastiodon in but be wary of Focus Sash and Metal Burst. Probopass can trap Bastiodon but watch out for Earthquake and Metal Burst if you try to use Earth Power. Quagsire, Whiscash, Gastrodon, and Camerupt can all easily OHKO Bastiodon and will not have to worry about Metal Burst unless he runs Focus Sash.</p>

Any suggestions? I think all of these sets are here to say but if I hear that one has to go I will remove it. Hopefully you guys find that this is better than the current analysis. Hopefully there are not many Spelling errors as I checked over it a few times as well as Phuq going over it. Thanks!
 

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[SET]
name: Curse Talk
move 1: Rest
move 2: Sleep Talk
move 3: Curse
move 4: Iron Head
item: Leftovers
nature: Impish
evs: 252 HP / 56 Atk / 204 Def

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Unlike the Offensive Metal Burst Set, you should focus on Defense when using this set. It is important to make sure nothing can easily 2HKO Bastiodon with physical attacks, otherwise it will fail. Unfortunately this set does fall victim to special attacks, therefore be careful when using it.</p>
I don't really see the logic behind this, since if you get a Curse under your belt it will be extremely difficult to 2hko you anyways. I would be more concerned about getting to 6 curses and then having any Water-type be able to come in and chase you off, eliminating all that setup. I would personally focus on SpDef, as is the rule of thumb on all Cursers, but if you've used the set before and feel that the Defense EVs are needed to set up then I'll take your word for it. I mean, considering all of the Swellows, Rotoms, Psychic, Normal, Bug and Poison types, etc that Bastiodon utterly walls in UU, I would think that getting that first Curse is pretty easy to do.

Also, I feel that Probopass should be mentioned as a counter since it is faster than you (40 base speed for Nosepass2 vs 30 base for Bastiodon), Magnet Rise eliminates everything you could do against it and it will hit you with 4x effective Earth Powers.

edit- wow I missed that sentence about Probopass in the counters section lol, ignore that then
 
Probopass is already listed in the counters section. Earth Power will never 2HKO Bastiodon btw so if you plan on using him as a counter, try setting up SR and magnet rise and whatever else you need before attacking because metal burst will bring it right back in your face.

However with that in mind probopass is still listed as a counter thanks to magnet pull.

I do think you need the Defensive EVs just incase and from my experience they did help. If enough people disagree on it I will change it.
 
The section tags apart from [SET] and [SET COMMENTS] shouldn't fully capitalized. So they should read:

[Other Options]

[EVs]

[Opinion]

[Counters]
 
I'm not sure about the offensive Metal Burst set. Not having played UU I can't speak for the metagame, but if Earthquake, Brick Break, and Close Combat are as potent as they are OU, you risk a lot by not having Focus Sash and a defensive nature. Relying on Curse to get you through is a risky play, especially if two are required to survive an attack, and with no way to recover, the most you could ever take down is one pokemon. The set seems almost novelty to me.
 
The Offensive Metal Burst set was the set originallly listed in the analysis and it works fine with Leftovers. You want to try and get 2 curses before their close combat user comes in. When they come in, just use Metal Burst / Iron Head after they attack and then try to sweep from there. After their attack and with leftovers recovery you should be at about 40-50%. Bastiodon is so bulky that he can survive a lot more attacks from that HP count.


fixed tag issues. That slipped my mind for some reason =/
 

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name: Offensive Metal Burst
move 1: Curse

move 2: Metal Burst
move 3: Stone Edge
move 4: Earthquake
item: Leftovers
nature: Brave
evs: 252 HP / 120 Atk / 4 Def / 132 SpD


Painfully uneffective EVs!

That nature and spread grants 324 HP / 187 Atk / 373 Def / 345 SpD.

By switching to Sassy and using 252 HP / 188 Atk / 4 Def / 8 SpD you'll have the exact same spread with 58 EVs remaining.

I'm not sure about the offensive Metal Burst set. Not having played UU I can't speak for the metagame, but if Earthquake, Brick Break, and Close Combat are as potent as they are OU, you risk a lot by not having Focus Sash and a defensive nature.
After a Curse, Bastiodon will survive an Earthquake from 252 Atk Adamant Golem (or 252 Jolly Garchomp is that puts it into perspective better), an Iron Fist Sky Uppecut from 252 Atk Adamant Hitmonchan and a Close Combat from 252 Atk Hitmontop. It also allows Bastiodon to pose a relative offensive threat himself with STAB Stone Edge and just under 300 Atk...I haven't tested it, but I see no reason not to include it.
 

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Hitmontop is the best counter to Bastiodon thanks to Fake Out and Close Combat.
What's Fake Out actually doing? Sure, it gives you a free turn but Bastiodon resists it 4x. Also, you're probably going to get damaged more from the FAke Out, seeing as you take 10% from LO whereas Bastiodon would probably take less than 10%.

Edit - Didn't see that this edit was already uploaded. Sorry.
 
Fake Out negates Focus Sash since it leaves you at below 100%. Close Combat will then OHKO meaning Bastiodon couldnt do anything. Fake Out is actually for causing damage but only for making sure Focus Sash cant be used (meaning no metal burst for bastiodon)
 
Specify that then. Say "Hitmontop is the best Bastiodon counter because it OHKOs with Close Combat, and doesn't even fear Focus Sash Metal Burst thanks to Fake Out."
 
It has already been uploaded so I can't change it myself. I reallt hink it is obvious though that Fake Out would be used just to make sure Focus Sash cant be used. Maybe someone with access though can change it :/
 

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It has already been uploaded so I can't change it myself. I reallt hink it is obvious though that Fake Out would be used just to make sure Focus Sash cant be used. Maybe someone with access though can change it :/
I'll go change it
 

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