Darmanitan (QC 3/3)

[Heysup]

Sub + 3 Attacks is kind of silly since it wastes Flare Blitz's potential with a pretty small trade off.

 

[EonADS]

1. Yes, I mentioned when I changed it, but I think I don't have a relevant log with 101 HP, for example Chansey's Seismic Toss or Deoxys-D's Night Shade. I still need to get one for that scenario.

Waitwhat. That's not what I asked. I just wanted to know what your spread was in the last two logs you posted.

3. Fire Punch does not give LO recoil, but if I were to use a Sub 3 Attack set, I'd probably use Leftovers.

I know, I said occasional because it would likely carry EQ or Superpower. However, using Leftovers means it can't do squat to its hard counters, especially Slowbro, unless it has Toxic or something (which wouldn't fit the Sub + 3 Attacks theme). That in itself is more or less a death sentence for the set. Also agreeing with what Heysup already said.

 

[TheSpecialOne]

Waitwhat. That's not what I asked. I just wanted to know what your spread was in the last two logs you posted.



I know, I said occasional because it would likely carry EQ or Superpower. However, using Leftovers means it can't do squat to its hard counters, especially Slowbro, unless it has Toxic or something (which wouldn't fit the Sub + 3 Attacks theme). That in itself is more or less a death sentence for the set. Also agreeing with what Heysup already said.

Whoa, I misread. I think it was 212 HP / 252 Atk / 44 Spe Jolly

And ok, Sub 3 Attacks is out of the question.

 

[TheSpecialOne]

Sub + 3 Attacks is kind of silly since it wastes Flare Blitz's potential with a pretty small trade off.

Alright. Did you get any feedback on the moves the Scarf and the LO/band set should run?

 

[Heysup]

Not yet, I do think it's likely safe to change them however if you want to be extra extra safe you don't need to yet, I'm trying to get other QC members to post.

 

[TheSpecialOne]

As requested, here are a few logs that show the use of Rock Slide: (list will be updated as long as I battle)

Battle#6 (after changing the EV spread to the listed one with Rock Slide

Battle between MurderZ and Baklap started!

Tier: Standard UU
Mode: Singles
Variation: +11, -21
Rule: Rated
Rule: Sleep Clause
Rule: Species Clause
Rule: Wifi Battle

Your team: Roserade / Milotic / Darmanitan / Donphan / Froslass / Zapdos
Opponent's team: Deoxys-D / Darmanitan / Yanmega / Hitmontop / Mamoswine / Honchkrow

Baklap sent out Darmanitan!
MurderZ sent out Darmanitan!

Start of turn 1
MurderZ called Darmanitan back!
MurderZ sent out Milotic!

The foe's Darmanitan used Rock Slide!
Milotic lost 140 HP! (35% of its health)

Milotic restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 2
Baklap called Darmanitan back!
Baklap sent out Deoxys-D!

The foe's Deoxys-D is exerting its Pressure!
Milotic used Scald!
The foe's Deoxys-D lost 15% of its health!
The foe's Deoxys-D was burned!

The foe's Deoxys-D restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Deoxys-D is hurt by its burn!
Milotic restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 3
MurderZ called Milotic back!
MurderZ sent out Roserade!

The foe's Deoxys-D used Spikes!
Spikes were scattered all around the feet of MurderZ's team!

The foe's Deoxys-D restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Deoxys-D is hurt by its burn!

Start of turn 4
MurderZ called Roserade back!
MurderZ sent out Darmanitan!
Darmanitan is hurt by spikes!

The foe's Deoxys-D used Taunt!
Darmanitan fell for the taunt!

Darmanitan restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Deoxys-D restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Deoxys-D is hurt by its burn!

Start of turn 5
Darmanitan used Fire Punch!
The foe's Deoxys-D lost 34% of its health!

The foe's Deoxys-D used Recover!
The foe's Deoxys-D regained health!

Darmanitan restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Deoxys-D restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Deoxys-D is hurt by its burn!

Start of turn 6
Darmanitan used Fire Punch!
The foe's Deoxys-D lost 33% of its health!

The foe's Deoxys-D used Spikes!
Spikes were scattered all around the feet of MurderZ's team!

The foe's Deoxys-D restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Deoxys-D is hurt by its burn!

Start of turn 7
Darmanitan used Fire Punch!
The foe's Deoxys-D lost 34% of its health!
The foe's Deoxys-D fainted!

Darmanitan's taunt ended!
Baklap sent out Darmanitan!

Start of turn 8
MurderZ called Darmanitan back!
MurderZ sent out Milotic!
Milotic is hurt by spikes!

The foe's Darmanitan used Flare Blitz!
It's not very effective...
Milotic lost 158 HP! (40% of its health)
The foe's Darmanitan is hit with recoil!

Milotic restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 9
The foe's Darmanitan used Flare Blitz!
It's not very effective...
Milotic lost 103 HP! (26% of its health)
Milotic fainted!
The foe's Darmanitan is hit with recoil!

MurderZ sent out Donphan!
Donphan is hurt by spikes!

Start of turn 10
Baklap called Darmanitan back!
Baklap sent out Hitmontop!

Donphan used Stealth Rock!
Pointed stones float in the air around Baklap's team!

Donphan restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 11
The foe's Hitmontop used Rapid Spin!
Donphan lost 28 HP! (7% of its health)
The foe's Hitmontop blew away Stealth Rock!
The foe's Hitmontop is hurt by its Life Orb!

Donphan used Rapid Spin!
The foe's Hitmontop lost 6% of its health!
Donphan blew away Spikes!

Donphan restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 12
The foe's Hitmontop used Hi Jump Kick!
Donphan lost 180 HP! (46% of its health)
The foe's Hitmontop is hurt by its Life Orb!

Donphan used Stealth Rock!
Pointed stones float in the air around Baklap's team!

Donphan restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 13
MurderZ called Donphan back!
MurderZ sent out Froslass!

The foe's Hitmontop used Hi Jump Kick!
It had no effect!
The foe's Hitmontop kept going and crashed!
The foe's Hitmontop lost 50% of its health!

Start of turn 14
Froslass is being sent back!
The foe's Hitmontop used Pursuit!
It's super effective!
Froslass lost 281 HP! (100% of its health)
Froslass fainted!
The foe's Hitmontop is hurt by its Life Orb!

MurderZ called Froslass back!
MurderZ sent out Roserade!

Start of turn 15
Roserade used Giga Drain!
The foe's Hitmontop lost 14% of its health!
The foe's Hitmontop fainted!
The foe's Hitmontop had its energy drained!

Baklap sent out Darmanitan!
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Darmanitan!

Start of turn 16
The foe's Darmanitan used Flare Blitz!
It's super effective!
Roserade lost 324 HP! (100% of its health)
Roserade fainted!
The foe's Darmanitan is hit with recoil!

MurderZ sent out Donphan!

Start of turn 17
Donphan used Ice Shard!
It's not very effective...
The foe's Darmanitan lost 7% of its health!

The foe's Darmanitan used Flare Blitz!
Donphan lost 184 HP! (47% of its health)
Donphan fainted!
The foe's Darmanitan is hit with recoil!
The foe's Darmanitan fainted!

Baklap sent out Yanmega!
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Yanmega!

MurderZ sent out Darmanitan!

Start of turn 18
The foe's Yanmega used Bug Buzz!
It's not very effective...
Darmanitan lost 358 HP! (88% of its health)

Darmanitan used Fire Punch!
It's super effective!
The foe's Yanmega lost 50% of its health!
The foe's Yanmega fainted!

Darmanitan restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The Passenger is watching the battle.
Baklap sent out Honchkrow!
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Honchkrow!

Start of turn 19
The foe's Honchkrow used Sucker Punch!
But it failed!

Darmanitan used Substitute!
Darmanitan hasn't enough energy left!

Darmanitan restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Honchkrow restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 20
Darmanitan used Rock Slide!
It's super effective!
The foe's Honchkrow lost 81% of its health!
The foe's Honchkrow fainted!

Darmanitan restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Baklap sent out Mamoswine!
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Mamoswine!

Start of turn 21
Darmanitan used Fire Punch!
It's super effective!
Baklap: gg
The foe's Mamoswine lost 87% of its health!
The foe's Mamoswine fainted!

MurderZ won the battle!

Battle#7 (after changing the EV spread to the listed one with Rock Slide

Battle between ShadowZen and MurderZ started!

Tier: Standard UU
Mode: Singles
Variation: +8, -24
Rule: Rated
Rule: Sleep Clause
Rule: Species Clause
Rule: Wifi Battle

Your team: Roserade / Milotic / Darmanitan / Donphan / Froslass / Zapdos
Opponent's team: Chandelure / Ferroseed / Zapdos / Bisharp / Kabutops

ShadowZen: damn i miss the poke i wanted to test out
ShadowZen: xD
MurderZ: lol
MurderZ sent out Darmanitan!
ShadowZen sent out Zapdos!
The foe's Zapdos is exerting its Pressure!

Start of turn 1
MurderZ called Darmanitan back!
MurderZ sent out Roserade!

The foe's Zapdos used Volt Switch!
It's not very effective...
Roserade lost 72 HP! (22% of its health)
ShadowZen called Zapdos back!
ShadowZen sent out Chandelure!

Roserade restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 2
MurderZ called Roserade back!
MurderZ sent out Milotic!

The foe's Chandelure used Substitute!
The foe's Chandelure made a substitute!

The foe's Chandelure restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 3
The foe's Chandelure used Calm Mind!
The foe's Chandelure's Sp. Att. rose!
The foe's Chandelure's Sp. Def. rose!

Milotic used Scald!
It's super effective!
The foe's Chandelure's substitute faded!

The foe's Chandelure restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 4
The foe's Chandelure used Calm Mind!
The foe's Chandelure's Sp. Att. rose!
The foe's Chandelure's Sp. Def. rose!

Milotic used Scald!
It's super effective!
The foe's Chandelure lost 32% of its health!

The foe's Chandelure restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 5
The foe's Chandelure used Calm Mind!
The foe's Chandelure's Sp. Att. rose!
The foe's Chandelure's Sp. Def. rose!

Milotic used Scald!
It's super effective!
The foe's Chandelure lost 24% of its health!

The foe's Chandelure restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 6
The foe's Chandelure used Shadow Ball!
A critical hit!
MurderZ: D:
Milotic lost 394 HP! (100% of its health)
Milotic fainted!

The foe's Chandelure restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
ShadowZen: mmh sorry bout the crit
MurderZ sent out Darmanitan!

ShadowZen: :L
ShadowZen: that suck

Start of turn 7
ShadowZen called Chandelure back!
ShadowZen sent out Ferroseed!

Darmanitan used Rock Slide!
It's not very effective...
The foe's Ferroseed lost 12% of its health!

Start of turn 8
Darmanitan used Substitute!
Darmanitan made a substitute!

The foe's Ferroseed used Thunder Wave!
Darmanitan's substitute blocked Thunder Wave!

Darmanitan restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
MurderZ: Alright, let's go
ShadowZen: woo dammit

Start of turn 9
ShadowZen called Ferroseed back!
ShadowZen sent out Kabutops!

Darmanitan used Fire Punch!
It's not very effective...
The foe's Kabutops lost 15% of its health!

Darmanitan restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 10
Darmanitan is tightening its focus!
The foe's Kabutops used Aqua Jet!
It's super effective!
Darmanitan's substitute faded!
The foe's Kabutops is hurt by its Life Orb!

Darmanitan used Focus Punch!
It's super effective!
The foe's Kabutops lost 74% of its health!
The foe's Kabutops fainted!

Darmanitan restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
ShadowZen sent out Zapdos!

The foe's Zapdos is exerting its Pressure!

Start of turn 11
MurderZ called Darmanitan back!
MurderZ sent out Roserade!

The foe's Zapdos used Volt Switch!
It's not very effective...
Roserade lost 69 HP! (21% of its health)
ShadowZen called Zapdos back!
ShadowZen sent out Bisharp!

Roserade restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 12
MurderZ called Roserade back!
MurderZ sent out Donphan!

The foe's Bisharp used Swords Dance!
The foe's Bisharp's Attack sharply rose!

Start of turn 13
The foe's Bisharp used Iron Head!
Donphan lost 181 HP! (47% of its health)

Donphan flinched!

Donphan restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
MurderZ: Ugh
ShadowZen: actually bulkier than i thought

Start of turn 14
ShadowZen called Bisharp back!
ShadowZen sent out Zapdos!

The foe's Zapdos is exerting its Pressure!
Donphan used Earthquake!
It had no effect!

Donphan restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 15
MurderZ called Donphan back!
MurderZ sent out Roserade!

The foe's Zapdos used Hidden Power!
It's super effective!
Roserade lost 186 HP! (57% of its health)

Roserade restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 16
The foe's Zapdos used Hidden Power!
It's super effective!
A critical hit!
Roserade lost 57 HP! (17% of its health)
Roserade fainted!

MurderZ sent out Darmanitan!

ShadowZen: i think it didn't matter xD
MurderZ: Take #2

Start of turn 17
ShadowZen called Zapdos back!
ShadowZen sent out Chandelure!

Darmanitan used Substitute!
Darmanitan made a substitute!
MurderZ: It didn't xD

Darmanitan restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Chandelure restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 18
Darmanitan used Rock Slide!
It's super effective!
The foe's Chandelure lost 55% of its health!
The foe's Chandelure fainted!

Darmanitan restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
ShadowZen sent out Zapdos!

The foe's Zapdos is exerting its Pressure!

Start of turn 19
The foe's Zapdos used Volt Switch!
Darmanitan's substitute faded!
MurderZ: Knew it :D
ShadowZen: fuck ><
ShadowZen called Zapdos back!
ShadowZen sent out Bisharp!

Darmanitan used Fire Punch!
It's super effective!
The foe's Bisharp lost 92% of its health!

Darmanitan restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Bisharp restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
MurderZ: w00t
ShadowZen: bulky
ShadowZen: :B

Start of turn 20
Darmanitan used Substitute!
Darmanitan made a substitute!

The foe's Bisharp used Night Slash!
Darmanitan's substitute faded!

Darmanitan restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Bisharp restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 21
The foe's Bisharp used Sucker Punch!
Darmanitan lost 250 HP! (61% of its health)

Darmanitan used Fire Punch!
It's super effective!
The foe's Bisharp lost 19% of its health!
The foe's Bisharp fainted!

Darmanitan restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
ShadowZen sent out Zapdos!

The foe's Zapdos is exerting its Pressure!
MurderZ: :O
ShadowZen: :D

Start of turn 22
MurderZ called Darmanitan back!
MurderZ sent out Donphan!

The foe's Zapdos used Thunderbolt!
It had no effect!

Donphan restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
MurderZ: :D

Start of turn 23
ShadowZen called Zapdos back!
ShadowZen sent out Ferroseed!

Donphan used Stealth Rock!
Pointed stones float in the air around ShadowZen's team!

Donphan restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
ShadowZen: ><

Start of turn 24
MurderZ called Donphan back!
MurderZ sent out Darmanitan!

The foe's Ferroseed used Leech Seed!
Darmanitan was seeded!

Darmanitan restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Darmanitan's health is sapped by leech seed.

Start of turn 25
The foe's Ferroseed used Protect!
The foe's Ferroseed protected itself!

Darmanitan used Fire Punch!
The foe's Ferroseed protected itself!

Darmanitan restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Darmanitan's health is sapped by leech seed.
MurderZ: 1 HP troll
ShadowZen: roo

Start of turn 26
The foe's Ferroseed used Protect!
The foe's Ferroseed protected itself!

Darmanitan used Fire Punch!
The foe's Ferroseed protected itself!

Darmanitan restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Darmanitan's health is sapped by leech seed.
Darmanitan fainted!
ShadowZen: yay
MurderZ: NOOOO
ShadowZen: xD
MurderZ sent out Zapdos!

Zapdos is exerting its Pressure!
ShadowZen: my turn to troll
ShadowZen: xD

Start of turn 27
ShadowZen called Ferroseed back!
ShadowZen sent out Zapdos!
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Zapdos!

The foe's Zapdos is exerting its Pressure!
Zapdos used Heat Wave!
The foe's Zapdos lost 52% of its health!
Zapdos is hurt by its Life Orb!

MurderZ: :D

Start of turn 28
MurderZ called Zapdos back!
MurderZ sent out Donphan!

The foe's Zapdos used Hidden Power!
It's super effective!
Donphan lost 299 HP! (77% of its health)
Donphan fainted!

ShadowZen: :)
MurderZ sent out Froslass!

MurderZ: All I wanted
ShadowZen: ><

Start of turn 29
ShadowZen called Zapdos back!
ShadowZen sent out Ferroseed!
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Ferroseed!

Froslass used Ice Beam!
The foe's Ferroseed lost 39% of its health!

MurderZ: Zapdos is dead :D

Start of turn 30
Froslass used Ice Beam!
The foe's Ferroseed lost 41% of its health!

The foe's Ferroseed used Thunder Wave!
Froslass is paralyzed! It may be unable to move!

MurderZ: gg

Start of turn 31
Froslass used Ice Beam!
The foe's Ferroseed lost 13% of its health!
The foe's Ferroseed fainted!

ShadowZen: gg .-.
ShadowZen sent out Zapdos!
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Zapdos!
The foe's Zapdos fainted!

MurderZ won the battle!
ShadowZen: losing allow me to gain experience :)

 

[Heysup]

Just saying that Earthquake would have actually been better in all of those scenarios.

 

[TheSpecialOne]

Just saying that Earthquake would have actually been better in all of those scenarios.

Pratically speaking yeah, but in theory, I'd really like to get a Rock Slide off on that Zapdos (2nd log I think) but I might test Earthquake anyway and compare

 

[Heysup]

You're probably better off using Fire Punch especially since you can switch attacks, but Fighting / Ground is kind of redundant. I'd rather use Encore over either lol.

 

[TheSpecialOne]

I still think Encore is overall better, but I am testing Rock Slide to prove its effectiveness and also to get some evidence to make the QC members have an easier time making their decisions. Should I test Earthquake and get logs?

 

[EonADS]

Just saying that Earthquake would have actually been better in all of those scenarios.

Except against Chandelure in the second battle, which would've walled Darmanitan and forced him to switch. I don't think Santuga would've lost that one, but not having Rock Slide would've made it a lot tougher.

Also, EQ totally doesn't hit Honchkrow, and I'm pretty sure Fire Punch wouldn't have managed an OHKO in the first log. Not that it would've cost him the match and Encore would arguably have been better, but it's still noteworthy.

I'm putting in my vote for Rock Slide, as little as that really means in the whole scheme of things.

 

[TheSpecialOne]

Except against Chandelure in the second battle, which would've walled Darmanitan and forced him to switch. I don't think Santuga would've lost that one, but not having Rock Slide would've made it a lot tougher.

Also, EQ totally doesn't hit Honchkrow, and I'm pretty sure Fire Punch wouldn't have managed an OHKO in the first log. Not that it would've cost him the match and Encore would arguably have been better, but it's still noteworthy.

I'm putting in my vote for Rock Slide, as little as that really means in the whole scheme of things.

Rock Slide over EQ or out of 3 options (Encore, EQ, Rock Slide)?

 

[EonADS]

My vote for keeping it slashed with Encore, lol. EQ should probably go in AC (if even that) because it doesn't help with Chandelure at all.

 

[Heysup]

Except against Chandelure in the second battle, which would've walled Darmanitan and forced him to switch. I don't think Santuga would've lost that one, but not having Rock Slide would've made it a lot tougher.

Earthquake OHKOes Chandelure.

If you don't have Focus Punch, Earthquake is needed but with SubPunch you have it but only really have two attacking slots due to Encore and Substitute.

Also, EQ totally doesn't hit Honchkrow, and I'm pretty sure Fire Punch wouldn't have managed an OHKO in the first log. Not that it would've cost him the match and Encore would arguably have been better, but it's still noteworthy.

Fire Punch guarantees a OHKO with Stealth Rock.

You need to do calculations if you make claims like this.

On the Substitute set, Encore >> Rock Slide.

 

[EonADS]

^ Ugh, I kept thinking Chandelure had Levitate. I feel ridiculously stupid now.

Now I feel even stupider for forgetting Sheer Force.

Agreed :/

 

[Snunch]

Yeah Rock Slide is plain worse than EQ. It's really only useful in very specific scenarios like needing to hit both a Zapdos and a Chandelure, where as Earthquake hits a gigantic portion of Darmanitan's checks for super effective damage.

So basically Heysup is right about everything.

 

[TheSpecialOne]

So, the sets should look like:

[SET]
name: Choice Scarf
move 1: Flare Blitz
move 2: U-Turn
move 3: Earthquake
move 4: Superpower / Rock Slide
item: Choice Scarf
nature: Adamant / Jolly
evs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET]
name: Physical Attacker
move 1: Flare Blitz
move 2: U-turn
move 3: Earthquake
move 4: Superpower / Rock Slide
item: Life Orb / Choice Band
nature: Jolly / Adamant
evs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET]
name: SubPunch
move1: Substitute
move2: Focus Punch
move3: Fire Punch
move4: Encore
item: Leftovers
nature: Jolly
evs: 212 HP / 120 Atk / 176 Spe

Is that it?

 

[Heysup]

Yea, still mention EQ/RS on the SubPunch set in AC.

Also I did some more testing, Toxic Spikes work really really well with the SubPunch set, helping it past Slowbro and Chandelure.

EDIT: @ below, good catch forgot about that.

Consider this approved once those changes are made.

 

[Snunch]

Fire Punch is better in the fourth slot than Rock Slide, move Rock Slide to AC and slash in Fire Punch.

 

[TheSpecialOne]

Alright, changes made. Waiting for stamps :p

 

[Snunch]

QC APPROVED 2/3

 

[PK Gaming]

QC APPROVED (3/3)

 

[TheSpecialOne]

Thanks you Snunch and PK Gaming :D

 

[Oglemi]

SuperJOCKE got dis