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Breloom (Analysis)
- Thread starter Seven Deadly Sins
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Breloom @ Toxic Orb
Trait: Poison Heal
236 HP / 252 Atk / 20 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -Def)
~ Seed Bomb
~ Drain Punch
~ Spore
~ Mach Punch
I feel like this set has some merit. It completely stops Sand teams cold, as it beats Excadrill, Terrakion, Landorus, and Tyranitar while also beating Bulky Waters like Jellicent. With this set you can switch into Ferrothorn and beat it without having to rely on Spore-ing him to get a Subtitute off. This set can take a lot of hits surprisingly, such as taking +1 Virizion's Hidden Power [Ice] and Scarf Politoed's Ice Beam, and healing off the damage with Drain Punch and Poison Heal. Mach Punch is a helpful priority, especially on a Bulky set like this, and lets Breloom always beat Excadrill and weakened things. I've seen some people use this to success, like Blue Star, I've used it a lot and it's great.
Trait: Poison Heal
236 HP / 252 Atk / 20 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -Def)
~ Seed Bomb
~ Drain Punch
~ Spore
~ Mach Punch
I feel like this set has some merit. It completely stops Sand teams cold, as it beats Excadrill, Terrakion, Landorus, and Tyranitar while also beating Bulky Waters like Jellicent. With this set you can switch into Ferrothorn and beat it without having to rely on Spore-ing him to get a Subtitute off. This set can take a lot of hits surprisingly, such as taking +1 Virizion's Hidden Power [Ice] and Scarf Politoed's Ice Beam, and healing off the damage with Drain Punch and Poison Heal. Mach Punch is a helpful priority, especially on a Bulky set like this, and lets Breloom always beat Excadrill and weakened things. I've seen some people use this to success, like Blue Star, I've used it a lot and it's great.
Force Palm is more useful, and against a sleeping foe I would rather use Focus Punch
How exactly do you breed for a breloom with spore and focus punch?
http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-bw/egg/286.shtml#focuspunch
Spore is a level-up move. Shroomish learns it at level 45.
Your question is more appropriate posted in Short Question Short Answer thread
Spore is a level-up move. Shroomish learns it at level 45.
Your question is more appropriate posted in Short Question Short Answer thread
HOLY SHIT IT'S DONE
I removed the All-Out Attacker set after talking to other QC members. It will obviously be added back when Technician is released, but without it, it just kinda sucks. It is, however, ready for GP checks now.
I removed the All-Out Attacker set after talking to other QC members. It will obviously be added back when Technician is released, but without it, it just kinda sucks. It is, however, ready for GP checks now.
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[Overview]
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As one of the most overlooked and most difficult to handle threats in Generation 4 DPP, Breloom has both benefited from and been damaged by the transition to Generation 4 BW. On one hand, the new sleep mechanics make Breloom extremely difficult to deal with. On the other, Poison Heal Gliscor is a nearly insurmountable enemy for most Breloom sets, as it resists Focus Punch, is neutral to Seed Bomb, and is immune to Spore once Poison Heal is activated. However, Breloom is still an incredibly lethal Pokemon, and its monstrous STAB Focus Punch is nothing to be trifled with.
[SET]
name: SubSeed
move 1: Spore
move 2: Leech Seed
move 3: Substitute
move 4: Focus Punch
item: Toxic Orb
nature: Impish
ability: Poison Heal
evs: 236 HP / 252 Def / 20 Spe
[SET COMMENTS]
<p>While 60 / 80 / 60 defenses may not seem like the most effective rather awful, Breloom's incredible defensive typing makes it more than capable of taking hits from some top Pokemon in OU. Combine this with the buff to sleep in Generation 5 BW, as well as Poison Heal and Substitute, and Breloom can easily prove itself to be far tougher to kill than its stat spread would imply.</p>
<p>Spore is a must-have on pretty much every Breloom set, as it is the only 100% accuracy accurate sleep move in the game, and with Generation 5's BW's sleep mechanics, a Pokemon put to sleep often might as well be KOed. Leech Seed goes a long way to bolster Breloom's survivability, allowing it to wear down opponents while simultaneously refilling its own life HP. Substitute compounds this by allowing Breloom to scout switches and stall out Pokemon affected by Leech Seed. It also works especially well on this set due to the significant healing from Leech Seed and Poison Heal combined. Finally, Focus Punch rounds out the set. Even though this set has no defensive investment, it still reaches 296 Attack, and when that's combined with a STAB 150 Base Power attack like Focus Punch, it gives a defensive set like this one some vicious power.</p>
[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
<p>The defensive investment on this set makes it surprisingly durable. Ferrothorn is unable to break Breloom's Substitutes in one hit, making it easy to set up on. It can also take any attack that Excadrill can throw at it, even a +2 Adamant Life Orb Return, which does exactly 1 less damage on a maximum roll than Breloom has HP- 319 damage to Breloom's 320 HP. This makes Breloom an excellent way to deal with some scary sweepers, as it can survive their attacks with ease and put them to sleep. 236 HP EVs give Breloom 320 HP, which is divisible by 8, giving it maximum healing from Poison Heal. Defense is maximized, and then the rest is remaining EVs are put into Speed.</p>
<p>This set does have a number of notable counters that need to be eliminated for this set it to function optimally. This Breloom finds Gliscor is incredibly hard to deal with for this set, as Poison Heal makes it immune to Spore and counteracts while counteracting Leech Seed's damage. It also resists Focus Punch, and takes barely any damage from it. As such, it's important to have a teammate that can either deal with it or lure it in and kill it. Expert Belt Landorus is especially effective as a teammate since it can lure in Gliscor and dipatch dispatch it with Hidden Power Ice. It can also deal with another major counter, Celebi, with U-Turn U-turn.</p>
[SET]
name: SubPunch
move 1: Spore
move 2: Substitute
move 3: Focus Punch
move 4: Seed Bomb / Stone Edge / Facade
item: Toxic Orb
nature: Adamant
ability: Poison Heal
evs: 12 HP / 252 Def / 244 Spe
[SET COMMENTS]
<p>While the previous set is more defensively oriented, this set is all about power. A max Attack Adamant Focus Punch from Breloom is one of the most vicious attacks in the game, capable of OHKOing most virtually anything that doesn't resist it, and even 2HKOing many Pokemon that do. While this set sacrifices durability somewhat, the increased offensive power and additional coverage makes it much more threatening offensively.</p>
<p>Spore is here as always, as sleep allows Breloom to set up for free while also incapacitating whatever the opponent switches in. Substitute gives Breloom the buffer that it needs to fire off its powerful STAB Focus Punch, and works well with Poison Heal to heal off the damage. Focus Punch turns Breloom's targets into a fine red mist, and is a huge part of why this set is so threatening behind a Substitute. The last move is used to provide coverage and give Breloom a way to attack without a Substitute up. Seed Bomb is secondary STAB, and also allows Breloom to do incredible damage to threatening opponents Pokemon such as Quagsire, Swampert, and Gastrodon. It also hits Jellicent, which is immune to Focus Punch. Stone Edge hits Flying-types, such as Dragonite, Salamence, and Thundurus, and also does solid damage to Gengar. Facade is the most powerful third option after the boost from Poison, and provides decent neutral coverage, but doesn't have any important super effective coverage to speak of.</p>
[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
<p>The EV spread on this set is simple. Attack is maximized for optimal damage output, and 12 HP gives Breloom an HP value divisible by 8 for Poison Heal. The rest is placed into Speed in order to allow Breloom to outspeed uninvested base 100s, as well as some uninvested or low-investment mid-speed Pokemon such as Rotom-W, Dragonite, and Heatran.</p>
<p>As with all Breloom sets, Gliscor and Celebi give this set hell. Expert Belt Landorus is an amazing partner for this reason, as it can potentially lure both of them by bluffing Choice Scarf Earthquake and then dispatching them with Hidden Power Ice and U-turn respectively. There are also a number of Pokemon that can cause problems depending on the choice of third attack. Without Stone Edge, Dragonite can be a major issue, so pairing it Breloom up with something that can eliminate Dragonite is a good idea. Landorus fits this bill nicely, and Bronzong can do the same while also providing Stealth Rock for the team. With Facade, it's important to have a check to Ghost-types, as it leaves Breloom completely unable to damage them. As such, including a strong Pursuit user on your team such as Tyranitar or Scizor can be important.
[OTHER OPTIONS] [Other Options]
<p>Breloom has a couple of useful moves in its arsenal that don't see a lot of use, but still have some niche applications. Drain Punch's Generation 5 BW buff makes it a significantly more appealing option than it was in the previous generation, but its main issue is the lack of power- — Breloom's big draw is its incredibly powerful Focus Punch, and without it, it's much less threatening. Bullet Seed's buff from 10 to 25 Base Power makes it marginally viable, as it has a 62.5% chance to have 75+ Base Power, making it comparable to Seed Bomb on average. However, Grass isn't an especially useful multi-hit typing, considering the fact that the big abusers of Substitute, which are primarily Grass resists, aren't especially afraid of it. On top of that, it's unreliable, which makes it a problem.</p>
<p>While the big draw of Breloom is its devastating SubPunch sets, it's got a few other options that it can leverage utilize effectively. As with all Grass-types, Breloom gets Swords Dance. This can make it an effective sweeper, as it has access to STAB priority in the form of Mach Punch, and also has decent two or three move coverage. However, it tends to lack in power, and the prevalence of Gliscor and Dragonite can cause severe issues for it. It can also run a dual status set with both Spore and Stun Spore, as the new sleep mechanics and Breloom's general threat level make it unlikely that opponents will stay in, but generally paralyzing something is less effective than simply setting up a Substitute and preparing for some Focus Punches. An "all-out attacker" set can also be used, with Life Orb, Superpower over Focus Punch, and a third coverage move instead of Substitute, but Breloom's comparative frailty, low speed, and lack of Substitute makes it unappealing for the role.</p>
<p>Choiced versions can also be used, especially Choice Scarf, as it can outspeed anything less than 130 base Speed and put it to sleep. However, using Spore on a choiced Pokemon is a questionable decision, as it largely negates the benefit of sleep, especially considering the new mechanics. Since Breloom is forced to switch out after Spore, the spored Pokemon can stay in and attempt to wake up. Superpower can also be an issue, as each use weakens Breloom significantly, forcing it to switch out afterwards. A Choice Band set can also be devastating, as a STAB Superpower off of from 591 Attack is nothing to scoff at, but Breloom is hard pressed to switch into attacks without any investment or Poison Heal's benefit. It can function as a decent revenge killer for stuff like Excadrill and Terrakion though, due to Mach Punch. Still, its low speed and poor defenses are off-putting for such a role.</p>
[CHECKS AND COUNTERS] [Checks and Counters]
<p>When it comes to Breloom counters, you just can't beat Gliscor. Its massive 125 physical defense and resistance to Fighting-type attacks allows it to shrug off Focus Punches with ease. Poison Heal just compounds the issue, as it renders Gliscor immune to Spore, and its passive healing also counteracts Leech Seed's effect. On top of that, Gliscor tends to use its Flying-type STAB more often, rather than going with mono-Ground coverage. Put all these factors together, and you've got the perfect Pokemon to counter Breloom.</p>
<p>Celebi is the other major counter to Breloom, as it has excellent 100/100 physical defenses and resistance to both of Breloom's STABs. It also has Recover, allowing it to effortlessly heal off any damage that it takes from Breloom's attacks. Its Grass typing also makes it immune to Leech Seed, which negates the major threat of Breloom's primary set. Additionally, Natural Cure completely nullifies Spore, allowing Celebi to essentially switch in at any time for free. Celebi also carries Psychic or HP Fire on most of its sets, allowing it to easily dispatch Breloom.</p>
<p>There are, of course, some other notable problem Pokemon for Breloom. Ghost-types can be troublesome for Breloom, as they are immune to Focus Punch and usually either faster or extremely bulky. Gengar is especially nasty, as it resists Seed Bomb and can also use Disable to remove Breloom's access to its coverage move. Chandelure also resists Seed Bomb due to its Fire typing, though it has to watch out for Stone Edge on the offensive set. Another big problem for Breloom is Pokemon that pack multi-hit moves. Haxorus is the most prevalent, as it can break Breloom's substitute with the first hit of Dual Chop and then prevent the Focus Punch with the second hit. On top of that, Haxorus resists Seed Bomb, the move of choice for the offensive SubPunch set, and has enough defense to take a Stone Edge or Facade if need be. Mamoswine and Cloyster can do the same with Icicle Spear, but they risk getting caught by a Seed Bomb, and are also both weak to Focus Punch or Superpower as well.</p>
[Dream World]
<p>Breloom's Dream World ability, Technician, is absolutely incredible for it. Technician gives Breloom a ton of useful options, and turns it from an irritating staller into an absolute offensive monster. Technician turns a number of offensive options from mediocre to incredible. The most notable one is Mach Punch, which now has the same level of power as Scizor's Bullet Punch, but with a much better typing. Bullet Seed also goes from 50-125 Base Power to 75-187.5 Base Power, making it at worst only slightly worse than Seed Bomb, and at best, two and a half times stronger, and even stronger than Focus Punch. Breloom also gets two excellent STAB options in Low Sweep and Force Palm. Low Sweep is boosted to a respectable 90 Base Power by Technician, and makes Breloom even harder to deal with by lowering the speed of whatever switches in by 1 stage. As a result, faster Pokemon that switch into Low Sweep have a major chance to still be slower and have to take a second hit from Breloom before they can attack. Force Palm has the same power, and while it doesn't have a 100% effect rate like Low Sweep, its paralysis infliction can cripple counters for the rest of the match. This makes Breloom an incredible Choice user, as it deals ridiculous damage with Choice Band and is nearly impossible to reliably switch into. It also has all the power it needs as a Swords Dance sweeper, as Mach Punch is much more usable at 60 Base Power than 40.</p>
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As one of the most overlooked and most difficult to handle threats in Generation 4 DPP, Breloom has both benefited from and been damaged by the transition to Generation 4 BW. On one hand, the new sleep mechanics make Breloom extremely difficult to deal with. On the other, Poison Heal Gliscor is a nearly insurmountable enemy for most Breloom sets, as it resists Focus Punch, is neutral to Seed Bomb, and is immune to Spore once Poison Heal is activated. However, Breloom is still an incredibly lethal Pokemon, and its monstrous STAB Focus Punch is nothing to be trifled with.
[SET]
name: SubSeed
move 1: Spore
move 2: Leech Seed
move 3: Substitute
move 4: Focus Punch
item: Toxic Orb
nature: Impish
ability: Poison Heal
evs: 236 HP / 252 Def / 20 Spe
[SET COMMENTS]
<p>While 60 / 80 / 60 defenses may not seem like the most effective rather awful, Breloom's incredible defensive typing makes it more than capable of taking hits from some top Pokemon in OU. Combine this with the buff to sleep in Generation 5 BW, as well as Poison Heal and Substitute, and Breloom can easily prove itself to be far tougher to kill than its stat spread would imply.</p>
<p>Spore is a must-have on pretty much every Breloom set, as it is the only 100% accuracy accurate sleep move in the game, and with Generation 5's BW's sleep mechanics, a Pokemon put to sleep often might as well be KOed. Leech Seed goes a long way to bolster Breloom's survivability, allowing it to wear down opponents while simultaneously refilling its own life HP. Substitute compounds this by allowing Breloom to scout switches and stall out Pokemon affected by Leech Seed. It also works especially well on this set due to the significant healing from Leech Seed and Poison Heal combined. Finally, Focus Punch rounds out the set. Even though this set has no defensive investment, it still reaches 296 Attack, and when that's combined with a STAB 150 Base Power attack like Focus Punch, it gives a defensive set like this one some vicious power.</p>
[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
<p>The defensive investment on this set makes it surprisingly durable. Ferrothorn is unable to break Breloom's Substitutes in one hit, making it easy to set up on. It can also take any attack that Excadrill can throw at it, even a +2 Adamant Life Orb Return, which does exactly 1 less damage on a maximum roll than Breloom has HP- 319 damage to Breloom's 320 HP. This makes Breloom an excellent way to deal with some scary sweepers, as it can survive their attacks with ease and put them to sleep. 236 HP EVs give Breloom 320 HP, which is divisible by 8, giving it maximum healing from Poison Heal. Defense is maximized, and then the rest is remaining EVs are put into Speed.</p>
<p>This set does have a number of notable counters that need to be eliminated for this set it to function optimally. This Breloom finds Gliscor is incredibly hard to deal with for this set, as Poison Heal makes it immune to Spore and counteracts while counteracting Leech Seed's damage. It also resists Focus Punch, and takes barely any damage from it. As such, it's important to have a teammate that can either deal with it or lure it in and kill it. Expert Belt Landorus is especially effective as a teammate since it can lure in Gliscor and dipatch dispatch it with Hidden Power Ice. It can also deal with another major counter, Celebi, with U-Turn U-turn.</p>
[SET]
name: SubPunch
move 1: Spore
move 2: Substitute
move 3: Focus Punch
move 4: Seed Bomb / Stone Edge / Facade
item: Toxic Orb
nature: Adamant
ability: Poison Heal
evs: 12 HP / 252 Def / 244 Spe
[SET COMMENTS]
<p>While the previous set is more defensively oriented, this set is all about power. A max Attack Adamant Focus Punch from Breloom is one of the most vicious attacks in the game, capable of OHKOing most virtually anything that doesn't resist it, and even 2HKOing many Pokemon that do. While this set sacrifices durability somewhat, the increased offensive power and additional coverage makes it much more threatening offensively.</p>
<p>Spore is here as always, as sleep allows Breloom to set up for free while also incapacitating whatever the opponent switches in. Substitute gives Breloom the buffer that it needs to fire off its powerful STAB Focus Punch, and works well with Poison Heal to heal off the damage. Focus Punch turns Breloom's targets into a fine red mist, and is a huge part of why this set is so threatening behind a Substitute. The last move is used to provide coverage and give Breloom a way to attack without a Substitute up. Seed Bomb is secondary STAB, and also allows Breloom to do incredible damage to threatening opponents Pokemon such as Quagsire, Swampert, and Gastrodon. It also hits Jellicent, which is immune to Focus Punch. Stone Edge hits Flying-types, such as Dragonite, Salamence, and Thundurus, and also does solid damage to Gengar. Facade is the most powerful third option after the boost from Poison, and provides decent neutral coverage, but doesn't have any important super effective coverage to speak of.</p>
[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
<p>The EV spread on this set is simple. Attack is maximized for optimal damage output, and 12 HP gives Breloom an HP value divisible by 8 for Poison Heal. The rest is placed into Speed in order to allow Breloom to outspeed uninvested base 100s, as well as some uninvested or low-investment mid-speed Pokemon such as Rotom-W, Dragonite, and Heatran.</p>
<p>As with all Breloom sets, Gliscor and Celebi give this set hell. Expert Belt Landorus is an amazing partner for this reason, as it can potentially lure both of them by bluffing Choice Scarf Earthquake and then dispatching them with Hidden Power Ice and U-turn respectively. There are also a number of Pokemon that can cause problems depending on the choice of third attack. Without Stone Edge, Dragonite can be a major issue, so pairing it Breloom up with something that can eliminate Dragonite is a good idea. Landorus fits this bill nicely, and Bronzong can do the same while also providing Stealth Rock for the team. With Facade, it's important to have a check to Ghost-types, as it leaves Breloom completely unable to damage them. As such, including a strong Pursuit user on your team such as Tyranitar or Scizor can be important.
[OTHER OPTIONS] [Other Options]
<p>Breloom has a couple of useful moves in its arsenal that don't see a lot of use, but still have some niche applications. Drain Punch's Generation 5 BW buff makes it a significantly more appealing option than it was in the previous generation, but its main issue is the lack of power- — Breloom's big draw is its incredibly powerful Focus Punch, and without it, it's much less threatening. Bullet Seed's buff from 10 to 25 Base Power makes it marginally viable, as it has a 62.5% chance to have 75+ Base Power, making it comparable to Seed Bomb on average. However, Grass isn't an especially useful multi-hit typing, considering the fact that the big abusers of Substitute, which are primarily Grass resists, aren't especially afraid of it. On top of that, it's unreliable, which makes it a problem.</p>
<p>While the big draw of Breloom is its devastating SubPunch sets, it's got a few other options that it can leverage utilize effectively. As with all Grass-types, Breloom gets Swords Dance. This can make it an effective sweeper, as it has access to STAB priority in the form of Mach Punch, and also has decent two or three move coverage. However, it tends to lack in power, and the prevalence of Gliscor and Dragonite can cause severe issues for it. It can also run a dual status set with both Spore and Stun Spore, as the new sleep mechanics and Breloom's general threat level make it unlikely that opponents will stay in, but generally paralyzing something is less effective than simply setting up a Substitute and preparing for some Focus Punches. An "all-out attacker" set can also be used, with Life Orb, Superpower over Focus Punch, and a third coverage move instead of Substitute, but Breloom's comparative frailty, low speed, and lack of Substitute makes it unappealing for the role.</p>
<p>Choiced versions can also be used, especially Choice Scarf, as it can outspeed anything less than 130 base Speed and put it to sleep. However, using Spore on a choiced Pokemon is a questionable decision, as it largely negates the benefit of sleep, especially considering the new mechanics. Since Breloom is forced to switch out after Spore, the spored Pokemon can stay in and attempt to wake up. Superpower can also be an issue, as each use weakens Breloom significantly, forcing it to switch out afterwards. A Choice Band set can also be devastating, as a STAB Superpower off of from 591 Attack is nothing to scoff at, but Breloom is hard pressed to switch into attacks without any investment or Poison Heal's benefit. It can function as a decent revenge killer for stuff like Excadrill and Terrakion though, due to Mach Punch. Still, its low speed and poor defenses are off-putting for such a role.</p>
[CHECKS AND COUNTERS] [Checks and Counters]
<p>When it comes to Breloom counters, you just can't beat Gliscor. Its massive 125 physical defense and resistance to Fighting-type attacks allows it to shrug off Focus Punches with ease. Poison Heal just compounds the issue, as it renders Gliscor immune to Spore, and its passive healing also counteracts Leech Seed's effect. On top of that, Gliscor tends to use its Flying-type STAB more often, rather than going with mono-Ground coverage. Put all these factors together, and you've got the perfect Pokemon to counter Breloom.</p>
<p>Celebi is the other major counter to Breloom, as it has excellent 100/100 physical defenses and resistance to both of Breloom's STABs. It also has Recover, allowing it to effortlessly heal off any damage that it takes from Breloom's attacks. Its Grass typing also makes it immune to Leech Seed, which negates the major threat of Breloom's primary set. Additionally, Natural Cure completely nullifies Spore, allowing Celebi to essentially switch in at any time for free. Celebi also carries Psychic or HP Fire on most of its sets, allowing it to easily dispatch Breloom.</p>
<p>There are, of course, some other notable problem Pokemon for Breloom. Ghost-types can be troublesome for Breloom, as they are immune to Focus Punch and usually either faster or extremely bulky. Gengar is especially nasty, as it resists Seed Bomb and can also use Disable to remove Breloom's access to its coverage move. Chandelure also resists Seed Bomb due to its Fire typing, though it has to watch out for Stone Edge on the offensive set. Another big problem for Breloom is Pokemon that pack multi-hit moves. Haxorus is the most prevalent, as it can break Breloom's substitute with the first hit of Dual Chop and then prevent the Focus Punch with the second hit. On top of that, Haxorus resists Seed Bomb, the move of choice for the offensive SubPunch set, and has enough defense to take a Stone Edge or Facade if need be. Mamoswine and Cloyster can do the same with Icicle Spear, but they risk getting caught by a Seed Bomb, and are also both weak to Focus Punch or Superpower as well.</p>
[Dream World]
<p>Breloom's Dream World ability, Technician, is absolutely incredible for it. Technician gives Breloom a ton of useful options, and turns it from an irritating staller into an absolute offensive monster. Technician turns a number of offensive options from mediocre to incredible. The most notable one is Mach Punch, which now has the same level of power as Scizor's Bullet Punch, but with a much better typing. Bullet Seed also goes from 50-125 Base Power to 75-187.5 Base Power, making it at worst only slightly worse than Seed Bomb, and at best, two and a half times stronger, and even stronger than Focus Punch. Breloom also gets two excellent STAB options in Low Sweep and Force Palm. Low Sweep is boosted to a respectable 90 Base Power by Technician, and makes Breloom even harder to deal with by lowering the speed of whatever switches in by 1 stage. As a result, faster Pokemon that switch into Low Sweep have a major chance to still be slower and have to take a second hit from Breloom before they can attack. Force Palm has the same power, and while it doesn't have a 100% effect rate like Low Sweep, its paralysis infliction can cripple counters for the rest of the match. This makes Breloom an incredible Choice user, as it deals ridiculous damage with Choice Band and is nearly impossible to reliably switch into. It also has all the power it needs as a Swords Dance sweeper, as Mach Punch is much more usable at 60 Base Power than 40.</p>
Good work :D
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Also just noting that the Overview needs <p></p> tags.
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[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
<p>The EV spread on this set is simple. Attack is maximized for optimal damage output, and 12 HP gives Breloom an HP value divisible by 8 for Poison Heal. The rest is placed into Speed in order to allow Breloom to outspeed uninvested base 100s, as well as some uninvested or low-investment mid-speed Pokemon such as Rotom-W, Dragonite, and Heatran.</p>
<p>As with all Breloom sets, Gliscor and Celebi give this set hell. Expert Belt Landorus is an amazing partner for this reason, as it can potentially lure both of them by bluffing Choice Scarf Earthquake and then dispatching them with Hidden Power Ice and U-turn respectively. There are also a number of Pokemon that can cause problems depending on the choice of third attack. Without Stone Edge, Dragonite can be a major issue, so pairing it Breloom up with something that can eliminate Dragonite is a good idea. Landorus fits this bill nicely, and Bronzong can do the same while also providing Stealth Rock for the team. With Facade, it's important to have a check to Ghost-types, as it leaves Breloom completely unable to damage them. As such, including a strong Pursuit user on your team such as Tyranitar or Scizor can be important.</p>
And at SubPunch
[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
<p>The EV spread on this set is simple. Attack is maximized for optimal damage output, and 12 HP gives Breloom an HP value divisible by 8 for Poison Heal. The rest is placed into Speed in order to allow Breloom to outspeed uninvested base 100s, as well as some uninvested or low-investment mid-speed Pokemon such as Rotom-W, Dragonite, and Heatran.</p>
<p>As with all Breloom sets, Gliscor and Celebi give this set hell. Expert Belt Landorus is an amazing partner for this reason, as it can potentially lure both of them by bluffing Choice Scarf Earthquake and then dispatching them with Hidden Power Ice and U-turn respectively. There are also a number of Pokemon that can cause problems depending on the choice of third attack. Without Stone Edge, Dragonite can be a major issue, so pairing it Breloom up with something that can eliminate Dragonite is a good idea. Landorus fits this bill nicely, and Bronzong can do the same while also providing Stealth Rock for the team. With Facade, it's important to have a check to Ghost-types, as it leaves Breloom completely unable to damage them. As such, including a strong Pursuit user on your team such as Tyranitar or Scizor can be important.</p>
<p>Spore is a must-have on pretty much every Breloom set, as it is the only 100% accuracy Sleep move in the game, and with Generation 5's sleep mechanics, a Pokemon put to sleep often might as well be KOed. Leech Seed goes a long way to bolster Breloom's survivability, allowing it to wear down opponents while simultaneously refilling its own life. Substitute compounds this by allowing Breloom to scout switches and stall out Pokemon affected by Leech Seed. It also works especially well on this set due to the significant healing from Leech Seed and Poison Heal. Finally, Focus Punch rounds out the set. Even though this set has no defensive investment, it still reaches 296 Attack, and when that's combined with a STAB 150 Base Power attack like Focus Punch, it gives a defensive set like this one some vicious power.</p>
Do you mean offensive?
Do you mean offensive?
Shouldn't this say offensive investment?
Honestly, Impish on the 1st set is overkill. It always has been. And with Excadrill gone there is even less of a reason to use it. Go with Adamant. Breloom only needs 168 Def EVs to survive a CB Stone Edge critical hit from Tyranitar and that is the most extreme case. You still wall Gyarados with that spread. It needs Rain and a Choice Band to have any chance at 2HKOing (48-57%) and if Poison Heal is active already it will have to roll maximum damage to kill you (or a flinch, lol). Ferrothorn's Power Whips and Gyro balls still won't even come close to breaking the Subs.
Honestly, the bulky spread should be the main spread on SubPunch too. Bulky Breloom is just flat out better than Glass Cannon Breloom.
Honestly, the bulky spread should be the main spread on SubPunch too. Bulky Breloom is just flat out better than Glass Cannon Breloom.
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0 Atk 0 Speed IV -speed nature Gyro Ball vs. 236 HP/252 Def Impish Breloom: 30.3% - 35.9%
Ferrothorn still breaks the sub 100% of the time.
As Raikoulover said, with Excadrill gone, Breloom now has even less of a reason to use Impish. Adamant should definitely be slashed.
This is the only OU pokemon with no analysis uploaded, just saying.
Amateur GP check! :D I honestly can't see too many mistakes, so I shall just skim over.
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It should be mentioned that Gengar with Substitute (the most common Gengar you see) walk all over the SubSeed set. It sets up Substitute to block Leech Seed and Spore, and is immune to Focus Punch. Gengar can't switch into Leech Seed or Spore, but if it gets in on Substitute or Focus Punch, don't expect to succeed.
Why invest so much defense into taking attacks from Ferrothorn when you can just stall out Gyro Balls with Substitute, and Sub on Power Whip until it misses, and then threaten with Focus Punch
If you're investing into anything, it should be to have enough bulk to take <25% from a defensive Gliscor EQ so you don't let EQ/Toxic Gliscor beat you.
If you're investing into anything, it should be to have enough bulk to take <25% from a defensive Gliscor EQ so you don't let EQ/Toxic Gliscor beat you.
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I love this analysis. You did forgot some things, and you repeat basic words time and time again, but hopefully the new edits will patch that up. Great job, otherwise.
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[Overview]
<p>As oOne of the most overlooked and most difficult to handle threats in Generation 4 IV returns to wreck havoc in Black and White., Breloom has both benefited from and been damaged by the transition to Generation 4 IV, but that doesn't always mean nothing goes wrong for our favourite boxing mushroom. On one hand, tThe new Sleep mechanics make Breloom extremely difficult to deal with. (Explain to the reader how the new Sleep mechanics make Breloom extremely difficult to deal with.) On the other Unfortunately, however, Poison Heal Gliscor is a nearly insurmountable enemy for most Breloom sets, as it resists Focus Punch, is neutral to Seed Bomb, and is immune to Spore once Poison Heal is activated. However In spite of the mushroom's faults, Breloom is still an incredibly lethal Pokemon, and its monstrous mammoth STAB Focus Punch is nothing to be trifled with. (Nice replacement for "not to be reckoned with".)</p>
[SET]
name: SubSeed
move 1: Spore
move 2: Leech Seed
move 3: Substitute
move 4: Focus Punch
item: Toxic Orb
nature: Impish
ability: Poison Heal
evs: 236 HP / 252 Def / 20 Spe
[SET COMMENTS]
<p>While 60 / 80 / 60 defenses may not seem like the most effective, Breloom's incredible defensive typing makes it more than capable of taking hits from some top Pokemon in OU. Combine this with the buff to Sleep in Generation 5, as well as Poison Heal and Substitute, and Breloom can easily prove itself to be far tougher to kill than its stat spread would imply.</p>
<p>Spore is a must-have on pretty much every Breloom set, as it is the only 100% accuracyte Sleep move in the game, and with Generation 5's sleep mechanics, a Pokemon put to sleep often might as well be KOed. Leech Seed goes a long way to bolster Breloom's survivability, allowing it to wear down opponents while simultaneously refilling its own life HP. Substitute compounds this by allowing Breloom to scout switches and stall out Pokemon affected by Leech Seed. It also works especially well on this set due to the significant healing from Leech Seed and Poison Heal. Finally, Focus Punch rounds out the set. Even though this Despite the set's lack of has no defensive offensive investment, it still reaches 296 Attack, and when that's combined with a STAB 150 Base Power attack like Focus Punch, it gives a defensive set like this one some vicious firepower.</p>
[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
<p>The defensive investment on this set makes it surprisingly durable. Ferrothorn is unable to break Breloom's Substitutes in one hit, making it easy to set up on. It can also take any attack that Excadrill can throw at it, even a +2 Adamant Life Orb Return, which does exactly 1 less damage on a maximum roll than Breloom has HP- 319 damage to Breloom's 320 HP. (Excadrill is a Uber Pokemon now.) This makes Breloom an excellent way to deal with some scary sweepers, as it can survive their attacks with ease and put them to sleep. 236 HP EVs give Breloom 320 HP, which is divisible by 8, giving it maximum healing from Poison Heal. Defense is maximized, and then the rest is put into Speed.</p>
<p>This set does have a number of notable counters that need to be eliminated for this set to function optimally. Gliscor is incredibly hard to deal with for this set, as Poison Heal makes it immune to Spore and counteracts Leech Seed's damage. It also resists Focus Punch, and takes barely any damage from it. As such, it's important to have a teammate that can either deal with it or lure it in and kill it. Expert Belt Landorus is especially effective as a teammate since it can lure in Gliscor and dispatch it with Hidden Power Ice. It can also deal with another major counter, Celebi, with U-Tturn. (Gengar should also be mentioned; I explained why here.)</p>
[SET]
name: SubPunch
move 1: Spore
move 2: Substitute
move 3: Focus Punch
move 4: Seed Bomb / Stone Edge / Facade
item: Toxic Orb
nature: Adamant
ability: Poison Heal
evs: 12 HP / 252 Def Atk / 244 Spe
[SET COMMENTS]
<p>While the previous set is more defensively oriented, this set is all pure power. A Max maximum Attack Adamant Focus Punch from Breloom is one of the most vicious attacks in the game, capable of OHKOing most anything that doesn't resist it, and even 2HKOing many Pokemon that do. While this set sacrifices durability somewhat, the increased offensive power and additional coverage makes it much more threatening offensively.</p>
<p>Spore is here as always, as Sleep allows Breloom to set up for free while also incapacitating whatever the opponent switches in. Substitute gives Breloom the buffer that it needs to fire off its powerful STAB Focus Punch, and works well with Poison Heal to heal off the damage. Focus Punch turns Breloom's targets victims into a fine red mist, and is a huge part of why this set is so threatening behind a Substitute. The last move is used to provide coverage and give Breloom a way to attack without a Substitute up. Seed Bomb is secondary STAB, and also allows Breloom to do incredible damage to threatening opponents such as Quagsire, Swampert, and Gastrodon. It also hits Jellicent, which is immune to Focus Punch. Stone Edge hits Flying-types, such as Dragonite, Salamence, and Thundurus, and also does solid damage to Gengar. Facade is the most powerful third option after the boost from Poison, and provides decent neutral coverage, but doesn't have any important super effective coverage to speak of.</p>
[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
<p>The standard EV spread on this set is simple. Maximum Attack EVs is maximized for provide optimal damage output, and 12 HP EVs gives Breloom an HP value that is divisible by 8 for Poison Heal. The rest leftovers is are placed poured into Speed, in order to allow enabling Breloom to outspeedpace uninvested base 100s Speed Pokemon, as well as some uninvested or low-investment mid-speed Pokemon such as Rotom-W, Dragonite, and Heatran.</p>
<p>As with all Breloom sets, Gliscor and Celebi give this set hell. Expert Belt Landorus is an amazing partner for this reason, as it can potentially lure both of them by bluffing Choice Scarf Earthquake and then dispatching them with Hidden Power Ice and U-Tturn respectively. There are also a number of Pokemon that can cause problems depending on the choice of third attack. Dragonite is a pain when Breloom is Wwithout Stone Edge, Dragonite can be a major issue, so pairing it up with something that can eliminate Dragonite is a good idea. Landorus fits this bill nicely, and Bronzong can do the same while also providing Stealth Rock for the team. With Facade, it's important to have a check to Ghost-types, as it leaves Breloom completely unable to damage them. As such, including a strong Pursuit user on your team such as Tyranitar or Scizor can be important.
[Other Options]
<p>Breloom has a couple useful moves in its arsenal that don't see a lot of use, but still have some niche applications. Drain Punch's Generation 5 buff makes it a significantly more appealing option than it was in the previous generation, but its main issue is the lack of power- Breloom's big draw is its incredibly powerful Focus Punch, and without it, it's much less threatening. Bullet Seed's buff from 10 to 25 Base Power makes it marginally viable, as it has a 62.5% five out of eight chance to have 75+ Base Power, making it which is comparable to Seed Bomb on average. However, Grass isn't an especially useful multi-hit typing, considering the fact that the big abusers of Substitute, which are primarily Grass-type resistances, aren't especially afraid of it. On top of that, it's unreliable inconsistent, which makes it a problem.</p>
<p>While the big draw of Breloom is its devastating SubPunch sets, it's got a few other options that it can leverage effectively. As with all most every Grass-types, Breloom gets receives Swords Dance. This can make it an effective sweeper, as it has access to STAB Ppriority in the form of Mach Punch, and also has decent two or three move coverage. However, it tends to lack in power, and the prevalence of Gliscor and Dragonite can cause severe issues for it. It can also run a dual status set with both Spore and Stun Spore, as the new sleep mechanics and Breloom's general threat level make it unlikely that opponents will stay in, but generally paralyzing something is less effective than simply setting up a Substitute and preparing for some Focus Punches. An "all-out attacker" set can also be used, with Life Orb, Superpower over Focus Punch and a third coverage move instead of Substitute, but Breloom's comparative frailty, low speed, and lack of Substitute makes it unappealing for the role.</p>
<p>Choiced versions items can also be utilised, especially Choice Scarf, as it can outspeed anything up to less than 13029 base Speed with a Jolly nature, and put it to sleep. However, using Spore on a cChoiced Pokemon is a questionable decision, as it largely negates the benefit of sleep, especially considering the new mechanics. Since Breloom is forced to switch out after Spore, the spored sleeping Pokemon can stay in and attempt to wake up. Superpower can also be an issue, as each use weakens Breloom significantly, forcing it to switch out afterwards. A Choice Band set can also be devastating, as a STAB Superpower off of 591 Attack is nothing to scoff at to reckon with,; but Breloom, however, is hard pressed to switch into attacks without any investment or Poison Heal's benefit. It can still function as a decent revenge killer for stuff prevalent threats like Excadrill and Terrakion (Add more examples maybe?), due to Mach Punch. Still, its low speed and poor defenses are off-putting for such a role.</p>
[Checks and Counters]
<p>When it comes to Breloom counters, you just can't beat Gliscor. Its massive 125 physical dDefense and resistance to Breloom's Fighting-type STAB allows it to shrug off Focus Punch with ease. Poison Heal just compounds the issue, as it renders Gliscor immune to Spore, and its passive healing also counteracts Leech Seed's effect. On top of that, Gliscor tends to use its Flying-type STAB more often, rather than going with mono-Ground coverage. Put Amalgamate all these factors together, and you've got the perfect Pokemon to counter Breloom.</p>
<p>Celebi is the other major counter to Breloom, as it has excellent 100(space)/(space)100 physical dDefense and resistance to both of Breloom's STAB(space)attacks. It also has carries Recover, allowing it to effortlessly heal off any damage that it takes from Breloom's attacks. Its Grass-typing also makes it immune to Leech Seed, which negates the major threat of Breloom's primary set. Additionally, Natural Cure completely nullifies Spore, allowing Celebi to essentially switch in at any time for free. Celebi also carries Psychic or HP Fire on most of its sets, allowing it to easily dispatch Breloom.</p>
<p>There are, of course, some other notable problem Pokemon for Breloom. Ghost-types can be troublesome for Breloom, packing a Focus Punch immunity and either speed or extreme bulk as they are immune to Focus Punch and usually either faster or extremely bulky. Gengar is especially nasty, as it resists Seed Bomb and can also use Disable to remove Breloom's access to its coverage move. Chandelure also resists Seed Bomb due to its Fire-typing, though it has to watch keep an eye out for Stone Edge on the offensive set. Another big problem for Breloom is Pokemon that pack multi-hit moves. Haxorus is the most prevalent, as it can break Breloom's substitute with the first hit of Dual Chop and then prevent the Focus Punch with the second hit. On top of that, Haxorus resists Seed Bomb, the move of choice for the offensive SubPunch set, and has enough defense to take a Stone Edge or Facade if need be. Mamoswine and Cloyster can do the same with Icicle Spear Crash and Icicle Spear, respectively, but they risk getting caught by a Seed Bomb, and are also both weak to Focus Punch or Superpower as well.</p>
[Dream World]
<p>Breloom's Dream World ability, Technician, is absolutely incredible for it. Technician gives Breloom a ton of useful options, and turns it from an irritating staller into an absolute offensive monster. Technician turns a number of offensive options from mediocre to incredible. The most notable one is Mach Punch, which now has the same level of power as Scizor's Bullet Punch, but with a much better typing. Bullet Seed also goes from 50- to 125 Base Power to 75- to 187.5 Base Power, making it at worst only slightly worse than Seed Bomb, and at best, two and a half times stronger, and even stronger than Focus Punch. Breloom also gets two excellent STAB options in Low Sweep and Force Palm. Low Sweep is boosted to a respectable 90 Base Power by Technician, and makes Breloom even harder to deal with by lowering the speed of whatever switches in by 1 one stage. As a result, faster Pokemon that switch into Low Sweep have a major chance to still be slower and have to take a second hit from Breloom before they can attack. Force Palm has the same power, and while it doesn't have a 100% effect rate like Low Sweep, its Paralysis infliction can cripple counters for the rest of the match. This makes Breloom an incredible Choice user, as it deals ridiculous damage with Choice Band and is nearly impossible to reliably switch into. It also has all the power it needs as a Swords Dance sweeper, as Mach Punch is much more usable at 60 Base Power than 40.</p>
<p>As oOne of the most overlooked and most difficult to handle threats in Generation 4 IV returns to wreck havoc in Black and White., Breloom has both benefited from and been damaged by the transition to Generation 4 IV, but that doesn't always mean nothing goes wrong for our favourite boxing mushroom. On one hand, tThe new Sleep mechanics make Breloom extremely difficult to deal with. (Explain to the reader how the new Sleep mechanics make Breloom extremely difficult to deal with.) On the other Unfortunately, however, Poison Heal Gliscor is a nearly insurmountable enemy for most Breloom sets, as it resists Focus Punch, is neutral to Seed Bomb, and is immune to Spore once Poison Heal is activated. However In spite of the mushroom's faults, Breloom is still an incredibly lethal Pokemon, and its monstrous mammoth STAB Focus Punch is nothing to be trifled with. (Nice replacement for "not to be reckoned with".)</p>
[SET]
name: SubSeed
move 1: Spore
move 2: Leech Seed
move 3: Substitute
move 4: Focus Punch
item: Toxic Orb
nature: Impish
ability: Poison Heal
evs: 236 HP / 252 Def / 20 Spe
[SET COMMENTS]
<p>While 60 / 80 / 60 defenses may not seem like the most effective, Breloom's incredible defensive typing makes it more than capable of taking hits from some top Pokemon in OU. Combine this with the buff to Sleep in Generation 5, as well as Poison Heal and Substitute, and Breloom can easily prove itself to be far tougher to kill than its stat spread would imply.</p>
<p>Spore is a must-have on pretty much every Breloom set, as it is the only 100% accuracyte Sleep move in the game, and with Generation 5's sleep mechanics, a Pokemon put to sleep often might as well be KOed. Leech Seed goes a long way to bolster Breloom's survivability, allowing it to wear down opponents while simultaneously refilling its own life HP. Substitute compounds this by allowing Breloom to scout switches and stall out Pokemon affected by Leech Seed. It also works especially well on this set due to the significant healing from Leech Seed and Poison Heal. Finally, Focus Punch rounds out the set. Even though this Despite the set's lack of has no defensive offensive investment, it still reaches 296 Attack, and when that's combined with a STAB 150 Base Power attack like Focus Punch, it gives a defensive set like this one some vicious firepower.</p>
[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
<p>The defensive investment on this set makes it surprisingly durable. Ferrothorn is unable to break Breloom's Substitutes in one hit, making it easy to set up on. It can also take any attack that Excadrill can throw at it, even a +2 Adamant Life Orb Return, which does exactly 1 less damage on a maximum roll than Breloom has HP- 319 damage to Breloom's 320 HP. (Excadrill is a Uber Pokemon now.) This makes Breloom an excellent way to deal with some scary sweepers, as it can survive their attacks with ease and put them to sleep. 236 HP EVs give Breloom 320 HP, which is divisible by 8, giving it maximum healing from Poison Heal. Defense is maximized, and then the rest is put into Speed.</p>
<p>This set does have a number of notable counters that need to be eliminated for this set to function optimally. Gliscor is incredibly hard to deal with for this set, as Poison Heal makes it immune to Spore and counteracts Leech Seed's damage. It also resists Focus Punch, and takes barely any damage from it. As such, it's important to have a teammate that can either deal with it or lure it in and kill it. Expert Belt Landorus is especially effective as a teammate since it can lure in Gliscor and dispatch it with Hidden Power Ice. It can also deal with another major counter, Celebi, with U-Tturn. (Gengar should also be mentioned; I explained why here.)</p>
[SET]
name: SubPunch
move 1: Spore
move 2: Substitute
move 3: Focus Punch
move 4: Seed Bomb / Stone Edge / Facade
item: Toxic Orb
nature: Adamant
ability: Poison Heal
evs: 12 HP / 252 Def Atk / 244 Spe
[SET COMMENTS]
<p>While the previous set is more defensively oriented, this set is all pure power. A Max maximum Attack Adamant Focus Punch from Breloom is one of the most vicious attacks in the game, capable of OHKOing most anything that doesn't resist it, and even 2HKOing many Pokemon that do. While this set sacrifices durability somewhat, the increased offensive power and additional coverage makes it much more threatening offensively.</p>
<p>Spore is here as always, as Sleep allows Breloom to set up for free while also incapacitating whatever the opponent switches in. Substitute gives Breloom the buffer that it needs to fire off its powerful STAB Focus Punch, and works well with Poison Heal to heal off the damage. Focus Punch turns Breloom's targets victims into a fine red mist, and is a huge part of why this set is so threatening behind a Substitute. The last move is used to provide coverage and give Breloom a way to attack without a Substitute up. Seed Bomb is secondary STAB, and also allows Breloom to do incredible damage to threatening opponents such as Quagsire, Swampert, and Gastrodon. It also hits Jellicent, which is immune to Focus Punch. Stone Edge hits Flying-types, such as Dragonite, Salamence, and Thundurus, and also does solid damage to Gengar. Facade is the most powerful third option after the boost from Poison, and provides decent neutral coverage, but doesn't have any important super effective coverage to speak of.</p>
[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
<p>The standard EV spread on this set is simple. Maximum Attack EVs is maximized for provide optimal damage output, and 12 HP EVs gives Breloom an HP value that is divisible by 8 for Poison Heal. The rest leftovers is are placed poured into Speed, in order to allow enabling Breloom to outspeedpace uninvested base 100s Speed Pokemon, as well as some uninvested or low-investment mid-speed Pokemon such as Rotom-W, Dragonite, and Heatran.</p>
<p>As with all Breloom sets, Gliscor and Celebi give this set hell. Expert Belt Landorus is an amazing partner for this reason, as it can potentially lure both of them by bluffing Choice Scarf Earthquake and then dispatching them with Hidden Power Ice and U-Tturn respectively. There are also a number of Pokemon that can cause problems depending on the choice of third attack. Dragonite is a pain when Breloom is Wwithout Stone Edge, Dragonite can be a major issue, so pairing it up with something that can eliminate Dragonite is a good idea. Landorus fits this bill nicely, and Bronzong can do the same while also providing Stealth Rock for the team. With Facade, it's important to have a check to Ghost-types, as it leaves Breloom completely unable to damage them. As such, including a strong Pursuit user on your team such as Tyranitar or Scizor can be important.
[Other Options]
<p>Breloom has a couple useful moves in its arsenal that don't see a lot of use, but still have some niche applications. Drain Punch's Generation 5 buff makes it a significantly more appealing option than it was in the previous generation, but its main issue is the lack of power- Breloom's big draw is its incredibly powerful Focus Punch, and without it, it's much less threatening. Bullet Seed's buff from 10 to 25 Base Power makes it marginally viable, as it has a 62.5% five out of eight chance to have 75+ Base Power, making it which is comparable to Seed Bomb on average. However, Grass isn't an especially useful multi-hit typing, considering the fact that the big abusers of Substitute, which are primarily Grass-type resistances, aren't especially afraid of it. On top of that, it's unreliable inconsistent, which makes it a problem.</p>
<p>While the big draw of Breloom is its devastating SubPunch sets, it's got a few other options that it can leverage effectively. As with all most every Grass-types, Breloom gets receives Swords Dance. This can make it an effective sweeper, as it has access to STAB Ppriority in the form of Mach Punch, and also has decent two or three move coverage. However, it tends to lack in power, and the prevalence of Gliscor and Dragonite can cause severe issues for it. It can also run a dual status set with both Spore and Stun Spore, as the new sleep mechanics and Breloom's general threat level make it unlikely that opponents will stay in, but generally paralyzing something is less effective than simply setting up a Substitute and preparing for some Focus Punches. An "all-out attacker" set can also be used, with Life Orb, Superpower over Focus Punch and a third coverage move instead of Substitute, but Breloom's comparative frailty, low speed, and lack of Substitute makes it unappealing for the role.</p>
<p>Choiced versions items can also be utilised, especially Choice Scarf, as it can outspeed anything up to less than 13029 base Speed with a Jolly nature, and put it to sleep. However, using Spore on a cChoiced Pokemon is a questionable decision, as it largely negates the benefit of sleep, especially considering the new mechanics. Since Breloom is forced to switch out after Spore, the spored sleeping Pokemon can stay in and attempt to wake up. Superpower can also be an issue, as each use weakens Breloom significantly, forcing it to switch out afterwards. A Choice Band set can also be devastating, as a STAB Superpower off of 591 Attack is nothing to scoff at to reckon with,; but Breloom, however, is hard pressed to switch into attacks without any investment or Poison Heal's benefit. It can still function as a decent revenge killer for stuff prevalent threats like Excadrill and Terrakion (Add more examples maybe?), due to Mach Punch. Still, its low speed and poor defenses are off-putting for such a role.</p>
[Checks and Counters]
<p>When it comes to Breloom counters, you just can't beat Gliscor. Its massive 125 physical dDefense and resistance to Breloom's Fighting-type STAB allows it to shrug off Focus Punch with ease. Poison Heal just compounds the issue, as it renders Gliscor immune to Spore, and its passive healing also counteracts Leech Seed's effect. On top of that, Gliscor tends to use its Flying-type STAB more often, rather than going with mono-Ground coverage. Put Amalgamate all these factors together, and you've got the perfect Pokemon to counter Breloom.</p>
<p>Celebi is the other major counter to Breloom, as it has excellent 100(space)/(space)100 physical dDefense and resistance to both of Breloom's STAB(space)attacks. It also has carries Recover, allowing it to effortlessly heal off any damage that it takes from Breloom's attacks. Its Grass-typing also makes it immune to Leech Seed, which negates the major threat of Breloom's primary set. Additionally, Natural Cure completely nullifies Spore, allowing Celebi to essentially switch in at any time for free. Celebi also carries Psychic or HP Fire on most of its sets, allowing it to easily dispatch Breloom.</p>
<p>There are, of course, some other notable problem Pokemon for Breloom. Ghost-types can be troublesome for Breloom, packing a Focus Punch immunity and either speed or extreme bulk as they are immune to Focus Punch and usually either faster or extremely bulky. Gengar is especially nasty, as it resists Seed Bomb and can also use Disable to remove Breloom's access to its coverage move. Chandelure also resists Seed Bomb due to its Fire-typing, though it has to watch keep an eye out for Stone Edge on the offensive set. Another big problem for Breloom is Pokemon that pack multi-hit moves. Haxorus is the most prevalent, as it can break Breloom's substitute with the first hit of Dual Chop and then prevent the Focus Punch with the second hit. On top of that, Haxorus resists Seed Bomb, the move of choice for the offensive SubPunch set, and has enough defense to take a Stone Edge or Facade if need be. Mamoswine and Cloyster can do the same with Icicle Spear Crash and Icicle Spear, respectively, but they risk getting caught by a Seed Bomb, and are also both weak to Focus Punch or Superpower as well.</p>
[Dream World]
<p>Breloom's Dream World ability, Technician, is absolutely incredible for it. Technician gives Breloom a ton of useful options, and turns it from an irritating staller into an absolute offensive monster. Technician turns a number of offensive options from mediocre to incredible. The most notable one is Mach Punch, which now has the same level of power as Scizor's Bullet Punch, but with a much better typing. Bullet Seed also goes from 50- to 125 Base Power to 75- to 187.5 Base Power, making it at worst only slightly worse than Seed Bomb, and at best, two and a half times stronger, and even stronger than Focus Punch. Breloom also gets two excellent STAB options in Low Sweep and Force Palm. Low Sweep is boosted to a respectable 90 Base Power by Technician, and makes Breloom even harder to deal with by lowering the speed of whatever switches in by 1 one stage. As a result, faster Pokemon that switch into Low Sweep have a major chance to still be slower and have to take a second hit from Breloom before they can attack. Force Palm has the same power, and while it doesn't have a 100% effect rate like Low Sweep, its Paralysis infliction can cripple counters for the rest of the match. This makes Breloom an incredible Choice user, as it deals ridiculous damage with Choice Band and is nearly impossible to reliably switch into. It also has all the power it needs as a Swords Dance sweeper, as Mach Punch is much more usable at 60 Base Power than 40.</p>
I love this analysis. You did forgot some things, and you repeat basic words time and time again, but hopefully the new edits will patch that up. Great job, otherwise.
Nixhex, SDS hasn't even implemented the first check yet and ALL of the above checks are based on the same, original piece of writing. That's the reason nobody else has checked this yet, it's useless until the first check is implemented.
So that stamp shouldn't count.
So that stamp shouldn't count.
yup, even if Breloom runs absolute minimum speed and the listed EV spread Ferrothorn still has a very slight chance to break your Substitute with a single Gyro Ball. which of course means this should probably be removed from the analysis:
(unless me and Super Mario Bro are missing something?)
Impish does have the advantage of meaning Jirachi's 0 Atk Iron Head won't break your Substitute on average (24.38% on avg). Maybe mention burn support too because with the given EVs most burnt foes will have a very tough time breaking your Substitute and that opens up a whole host of set up opportunities. Once burned, even Max Atk Metagross Meteor Mash can't guarantee to break the Sub.
Actually, I was thinking about that. The reason there hasn't been an update to this is because I was considering testing alternate spreads for the main set. I still think SubSeed should be the first option, but the big sell for Impish was being an ironclad Excadrill counter. With Excadrill banned, however, that reasoning falls short a bit. Anyone got any fancy ideas for how to EV SubSeed? I like Impish, personally, since you survive some stupid stuff, but it might be a good idea to run Adamant or even Adamant with some different EVs.