You have missed the point of this thread completely. We don't care if Magnezone and Salamence cover each other's weaknesses. It's been repeatedly said - the point of this topic is to find combinations that will cause the
opponent trouble, not combinations that can stop the opponent's sweepers. Magnezone and Salamence is often cited as a defensive combination. It is NOT. The whole point of it is that Magnezone kills the steels that stop a Salamence sweep, i.e. it is an offensive combination. Sure, if it comes down to it, the fact that they cover each others weaknesses well means that you can sometimes switch between the two, but it is by no means meant to be a SkarmBliss or CeleTran (for lack of better examples). Your comment about Mamoswine running through Salamence / Magnezone is a moot point, as we are looking for how Salamence and Magnezone damage to opposing team.
Yes, I think we all know that your team is just one small factor in winning a battle. The fact that it is still a factor is reason enough for it to be addressed. Just because 'there is no way for anything to go as to plan every single time' doesn't mean we should just throw strategy out the window and just 'put together 6 pokemon'. So what if your strategy doesn't work every time? If it's a well developed strategy it will still work
most of the time. The way you're speaking you're making it sound like strategy and planning is useless in a team, and that we should all just start throwing random pokes together. If we all followed this philosophy then there would be no rain teams, trick room teams, hail teams, paralysis teams, sandstorm teams, stall teams... as they all revolve around a central, unifying
strategy!
I've never said that a team can have a 'guaranteed chance to win'. I'm just trying to get people to brainstorm some good combinations that, when used as the offensive core of a team, gives the team a good chance to win.
Like I've said in the OP and another subsequent post, I am not trying to get people to post their entire teams. We're suggesting combinations of sweepers around which we can build a team. Using my Scizor/Lucario suggestion as an example, it is obvious that when using this combination the rest of the team would have to be built to take on stray Ground, Fire and Fighting attacks, simple because of the typing. However, in my post I'm not specifying how to do this, but rather just pointing out that it is something to take into consideration. The person using the Lucario/Scizor combination can use anything else on their team... Gyarados, Dragonite, Salamence, even things like Moltres to support the offensive core. That is up to the person using the combo and is totally specific to them.
And I am not simply in a 'team building-block' and trying to get some inspiration through this topic. As of now, I have contributed the most combos to the thread, and so am not simply trying to get people to post their ideas to copy them, as you so strongly imply. I'm sure someone of your standing would have a lot of great combos that you could contribute, so instead of this pointless arguing maybe you could make a contribution?
Anyway, I said I was going to post another combo, and here it is.
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Latias @ Leftovers
Timid - Levitate
148 HP, 108 SpA, 252 Spe
- Calm Mind
- Dragon Pulse
- Recover
- Refresh
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Magnezone @ Choice Scarf
Naive - Magnet Pull
4 Atk, 252 SpA, 252 Spe
- Thunderbolt
- HP Fire
- Flash Cannon
- Explosion
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Machamp @ Leftovers
Adamant - No Guard
252 HP, 252 Atk, 4 Spe
- Dynamicpunch
- Stone Edge
- Payback
- Bulk Up
Something I've been using on the suspect ladder with great success. The three pokemon together deal with each others counters very well, meaning that one of them will sweep in the end.
What stops a CM Latias sweep? Steel types such as Scizor, Bronzong, Metagross, Jirachi; special walls such as Blissey and Snorlax; and dark types such as Weavile and Tyranitar. Magnezone takes out all the aforementioned steels, and Machamp takes out the special walls and Dark types.
Blissey, Snorlax, Swampert and Gliscor hinder Magnezone. Machamp removes the first 3, while Latias sets up on Gliscor.
Skarmory, Celebi, Gliscor, Slowbro, Weezing are some of Machamp's counters. Magnezone removes Skarmory and does massive damage to Slowbro and Weezing, while Latias can set up on Celebi, Gliscor or Weezing with ease.
And, as a footnote, the typing synergy is excellent, with not a single shared weakness between the three pokemon. For the more pedantic out there (and for those who are looking for a more defensive set), Hariyama can take Machamp's place, as in addition to resisting Latias' Dark weak, with Thick Fat it resists Latias' Ice weak and Magnezone's Fire weak. But remember, this is simply a minor point, and the offensive combination doesn't need the resistances to work effectively.
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LR.