Ubers Celesteela

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[OVERVIEW]
* Celesteela boasts solid bulk and a brilliant defensive typing, meaning that it can act as a decent answer to many common threats in the tier, such as Arceus-Ground, Arceus-Fairy, Mega Salamence, and Dragon Dance Rayquaza.
* It is able to recover HP very easily with Leftovers, Leech Seed, and Protect, which makes it very hard to wear down and very annoying to beat in a one-on-one situation.
* Unlike most common bulky Steel-type Pokemon used in the tier such as Ferrothorn, Mega Scizor, Magearna, and support Necrozma-DM, Celesteela also provides its team with an immunity to Ground-type attacks, which is a trait that it only shares with Skarmory. However, unlike Skarmory, Celesteela tends to wear down foes with a combination of Leech Seed and Toxic as well as threaten frailer Pokemon with Heavy Slam.
* Celesteela is relatively passive, and it is therefore quite easily trapped by Shadow Tag users such as Gothitelle and Mega Gengar. That being said, Mega Gengar does have to be careful when dealing with Celesteela, as it is 2HKOed by Heavy Slam.
* Celesteela is shut down relatively easily by Pokemon that utilize Substitute and setup moves, such as Primal Kyogre, Zygarde-C, and Arceus-Ground, as Pokemon behind a Substitute are immune to Leech Seed and Toxic. Furthermore, many of the aforementioned Substitute users can avoid having their Substitute broken by Heavy Slam by resisting Steel-type attacks, having enough natural bulk, or investing enough EVs in Defense. This causes Celesteela to become setup fodder for these Pokemon.
* Unfortunately, due to the passive nature of Celesteela, it struggles to effectively utilize its ability Beast Boost, as it is quite easily revenge killed by an opposing dedicated check.


[SET]
name: Physically Defensive
move 1: Leech Seed
move 2: Heavy Slam
move 3: Toxic
move 4: Protect
item: Leftovers
ability: Beast Boost
nature: Impish
evs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 Def

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
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* Leech Seed makes it easy for Celesteela to wear down opposing Pokemon, helps force switches, and provides Celesteela with a means of recovery other than Leftovers.
* Protect is useful for scouting for super effective coverage moves, determining if foes are using Choice-items, and allowing for further recovery, and it is especially useful when paired with Leech Seed.
* Toxic helps wear down every non-Steel- or Poison-type Pokemon in the tier and is especially useful for easing the process of wearing down foes when combined with Leech Seed and Protect.
* Heavy Slam prevents Celesteela from being completely passive, allowing it to do a reasonable amount of damage to foes such as Mega Salamence, Rayquaza, Mega Gengar, Ultra Necrozma, and Mega Diancie.

Set Details
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* Maximum HP and Defense EVs are set in order for Celesteela to effectively check many common physical threats in the tier, such as Mega Salamence, Arceus-Ground, Marshadow, Rayquaza, and Primal Groudon lacking Fire-type attacks.
* Alternatively, a set with 104 Attack EVs and 156 Defense EVs can be used to ensure that Heavy Slam breaks Impish Mega Salamence's Substitute over 75% of the time, 2HKOes Gothitelle after Leech Seed and Stealth Rock damage, and OHKOes a -1 Defense Marshadow after Stealth Rock damage while still surviving Close Combat from Life Orb Marshadow with ease.

Usage Tips
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* Bring Celesteela in on Pokemon that it takes very little damage from, such as Arceus-Ground, Arceus-Fairy, Mega Salamence, Double Dance Primal Groudon, support Necrozma-DM, and Lugia.
* Leech Seed is easily Celesteela's most spammable move, as it provides recovery and tends to encourage Pokemon to switch out. Try to use this move liberally if you think that your opponent is going to switch their Pokemon, as Celesteela can help wear down Pokemon that would otherwise counter it with Leech Seed + Protect.
* Heavy Slam stops Celesteela from being completely passive and should be used to wear down foes alongside Leech Seed, Toxic, and Protect, pick off foes that have been worn down, and deal decent damage to frailer foes such as Deoxys-A, Mega Gengar, Xerneas, and Mega Diancie. It is also useful for breaking Substitute from frailer foes, such as Mega Salamence and Mega Gengar. Heavy Slam is also Celesteela's only way of dealing damage to Mega Sableye and Mega Diancie.
* Spamming Toxic to slowly wear down foes is incredibly useful, as this helps make things easier for other teammates to KO them and puts pressure on clerics such as Choice Scarf Xerneas, which is the most common cleric on offensive builds and dealt with by Celesteela quite easily.
* Use Protect in order to scout for coverage moves from Primal Groudon, Calm Mind Arceus formes, and Choice-locked Pokemon such as Yveltal, Ho-Oh, and Xerneas.
* Celesteela has to be careful to not take Fire- or Electric-type attacks from common threats such as Primal Groudon, Ho-Oh, Xerneas, mixed Rayquaza, mixed Primal Kyogre, and Naganadel.
* Celesteela also tends to not run any EVs in Special Defense if it wishes to effectively act as a physical wall, so it should avoid taking any damage from common special attackers such as Yveltal, Primal Kyogre, Lunala, and Naganadel.
* Although Celesteela is a complete deadweight against Gothitelle, it is possible for it to deal with Mega Gengar, as it 2HKOes Mega Gengar with Heavy Slam and is able to potentially deal with more aggressive variants if it correctly predicts when Mega Gengar uses Taunt and Destiny Bond.
* Avoid staying in against setup sweepers with Substitute, as Pokemon are immune to Leech Seed and Toxic when behind a Substitute. Primal Kyogre and Zygarde-C are especially noteworthy examples, as even when Celesteela invests EVs into Attack, Heavy Slam still fails to break their Substitute.

Team Options
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* Celesteela is a defensive wall that is much better at taking hits, rather than dishing them out. Therefore, it tends to fit well on teams of a similar nature.
* Pursuit users such as Marshadow and Tyranitar are nice partners for Celesteela, as they are able to trap and remove the two main Shadow Tag users in the tier, Gothitelle and Mega Gengar. It should be noted that Marshadow doesn't appreciate taking Ghost-type attacks from Mega Gengar and Tyranitar dislikes facing Mega Gengar variants with Focus Blast.
* Many different variants of Primal Groudon make useful partners for Celesteela. The defensive set is able to set Stealth Rock for Celesteela, which punishes just about every viable Pokemon in the tier when they switch in, ultimately making it easier for Celesteela to wear down foes. Primal Groudon can also quite easily deal with Power Herb Xerneas and Swords Dance Necrozma-DM as well as other Steel-types such as Ferrothorn, Mega Lucario, and Dialga. Defensive Primal Groudon also provides the team with a potential switch-in to Primal Kyogre, which is only really annoyed by Leech Seed and Toxic. Mixed Rock Polish Primal Groudon is able to take care of Zygarde before it transforms into Zygarde-C with Hidden Power Ice, and variants with Rock-type coverage are able to KO Ho-Oh, which otherwise 2HKOes Celesteela with Sacred Fire.
* Primal Kyogre is useful, as its ability makes it immune to Fire-type attacks and it threatens Primal Groudon and Ho-Oh with powerful Water-type attacks.
* Arceus-Water is able to remove Stealth Rock for Celesteela with Defog, as well as acting as a reasonable check to Ho-Oh and Primal Groudon.
* Arceus-Ground is also able to remove Stealth Rock for Celesteela with Defog and deal with Primal Groudon, as well as Mega Lucario, Zygarde-C, and Necrozma-DM to an extent.
* Zygarde-C is a brilliant partner both offensively and defensively, as it is able to deal with Pokemon that threaten Celesteela such as Mega Lucario, Primal Groudon, and Ho-Oh. Zygarde-C also appreciates the fact that Celesteela can threaten many of the Pokemon it dislikes dealing with, such as Arceus-Fairy, Arceus-Ground, and Choice Scarf Xerneas.
* Yveltal also pairs well with Celesteela, as it pressures trappers such as Gothitelle and Mega Gengar. It also appreciates Celesteela's ability to wear down Pokemon, which eases Yveltal's wallbreaking.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
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* Fire Blast or Flamethrower can be useful for dealing with opposing Steel-types and preventing Celesteela from being setup fodder for Mega Lucario and Ferrothorn. However, Celesteela can't really afford to sacrifice anything in its moveset in order to run Fire-type coverage.
* Substitute can be useful in place of Toxic,(AC) as Celesteela can PP stall super effective moves such as Ho-Oh's Sacred Fire. However, Toxic is much more useful for wearing down foes, and having Toxic means Celesteela will be able to more efficiently recover HP, as it isn't losing any health from using Substitute.
* Flame Charge can be used to boost Celesteela's Speed by one stage and can be useful when combined with Substitute, as Celesteela is able to quickly set up a Substitute without having to take damage beforehand.

Checks and Counters
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**Fire-type Attacks**: Fire-type Pokemon such as Ho-Oh and Primal Groudon are both unfazed by Celesteela's attacks and are able to deal heavy amounts of damage with Fire-type attacks. Celesteela also doesn't appreciate having to deal with Fire-type coverage moves from Pokemon like, Naganadel, Rayquaza, and Calm Mind Arceus-Fairy.

**Mega Sableye**: Mega Sableye can bounce back Leech Seed and Toxic and easily recover off any damage from Heavy Slam.

**Shadow Tag Trappers**: Pokemon with Shadow Tag such as Gothitelle and Mega Gengar are able to trap Celesteela. Gothitelle is able to recover the damage dealt by Celesteela and PP stall it thanks to Rest, and Mega Gengar can cause a trade.

**Special Attackers**: Celesteela tends to invest its EVs in Defense in order to deal with physical attackers. It takes heavy damage from neutral special attacks from Pokemon such as Yveltal, Primal Kyogre, and Palkia.

**Steel-types**: Steel-type Pokemon are immune to Toxic and take minimal damage from Heavy Slam. Ferrothorn is an especially notable example, since it is immune to Leech Seed, can set its own Leech Seed back, and can set up hazards in front of Celesteela. Mega Lucario is able to set up and then OHKO Celesteela with +2 Close Combat. Necrozma-DM is only really fazed by Leech Seed, and therefore it is able to freely set up against Celesteela. Dialga is able to 2HKO Celesteela if it runs Fire Blast.

**Zygarde-C**: All variants of Zygarde-C are rather unfazed by any of Celesteela's attacks. RestTalk variants are able to recover off any damage that Celesteela dishes out and 3HKO it with Thousand Arrows. Substitute + Dragon Dance variants get a free Substitute against Celesteela and are able to set up easily, since Heavy Slam doesn't break Zygarde-C's Substitute.

**Substitute Users**: Substitute users are often problematic for Celesteela, as in many cases, Heavy Slam doesn't do enough damage to break the foe's Substitute, which then allows Pokemon like Primal Kyogre and Zygarde-C to set up for free.

**Electric-type Attacks**: Although Electric-type Pokemon are rare and not considered to be very viable, Zekrom and Arceus-Electric are able to deal heavy amounts of damage to Celesteela with their STAB attacks. Celesteela also dislikes taking Electric-type attacks from other Pokemon, such as Thunder from Xerneas, Calm Mind Arceus-Ground, and Primal Kyogre.
 
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* Celesteela boasts solid bulk and a brilliant defensive typing, meaning it can act as a solid answer to many common threats in the Ubers Tier.
name what it checks
* One of the best answers to common Arceus formes in the tier, as it takes minimal damage from their STAB moves and can wear them down with Leech Seed and Toxic, and is only really threatened by the rare variants that run Fire Blast or Thunder. However, it can easily scout for those moves with Protect.
that only works for groundceus and fairyceus, celesteela still takes a lot from waterceus and darkceus, and is a setup fodder for sub sd varients, i thinkthis point should be removed, just mention them in the first point.
* It does face competition from the defensive teams that it tends to belong on from Skarmory, as Skarmory is able to set Hazards. However, Celesteela is less passive than Skarmory as Celesteel can dish out 120 Base Power Heavy Slams, and can easily annoy the Pokemon in front of it, and can become even more annoying to deal with once it gets defense boosts with Heavy Slam.
remove this, add a point where you say its not passive thanks to base 120 stab and 100 in attack blah blah.

add a point where you talk about its Electric and Fire weaknesses and Steel-type's poor coverage, another one when you talk about its reliance on leech seed and toxic to beat some threats makes it a setup fodder to Sub mons such as pogre sub sd arceus and sub mence, add a point where u talk about being weak to trappers can break your defensive core (some teams rely on steela to check mence for example).
* Bring Celesteela in on Pokemon that it takes very little damage from, such as Arceus, Mega Salamence, Cloyster, Excadrill, Primal Groudons lacking Fire-type attacks, and all Deoxys formes. However, it has to be careful about taking a Psychic Terrain Boosted Psycho Boost from Deoxys Attack.
no u dont bring celesteela into cloyster, pdon, and deoxys, and precise support arceus varients, name over those 3 Necrozma DM, Double Dance Pdon, and Lugia.

add a point about toxic targets and how it annoys many mons ect, add in this point how it pressures well xerneas scarf (the main cleric on offensive teams) with heavy slam. Add a point about Protect where u say its useful to scout choice mons such as yveltal/hooh and coverage moves from xern/cm ceus. Add a point about how to play against stag mons, how to beat mega gengar and how it is a deadweight against gothitelle teams.

Team options are empty. Mention how pdon can check geoxern and ferrothorn. Add a point for supportceus, waterceus switch into mixed pdon and fire moves and defog, arceus ground pressures pdon and mgar, and fairyceus check taunt yvetal subdd mence and dd zygarde and set SR. Add defoggers such as mence and giratina and mention how they support each others. Add zygarde-c, as it checks mluke dd ray and hooh, or take advantage of celesteela ability to spread toxic and wear down opposing mons with its DD set. Add a point for yveltal, pressures mgar and gothi, stallbreaker annoy fat teams that celesteela struggles against, and celesteela check scarf xern and fairyceus.

Flamethrower / Fire Blast should be first option, mention it should be used over heavy slam. Remove Earthquake mention because its really bad.

**Steel-types**: Steel-Type Pokemon are immune to toxic and take minimal damage from Heavy Slam. Ferrothorn is an especially notable example since it's immune to Leech Seed, but can set its own Leech Seed back, and proceed to just set up hazards in front of Celesteela. Mega Lucario is able to set up and then OHKO with a +2 Close Combat and Dialga is able to 2HKO Celesteela if it runs Fire Blast.
mention that steela is a setup fodder for double dance necrodm.

**Fire-types**: Fire-type Pokemon are able to force Celesteela out as they 2HKO it with their STAB moves and take minimal damage from Heavy Slam
rename to fire-type attacks, name pdon and hooh, and fire coverage users users such as cm fairyceus, rayquaza, and naganadel.

**Special Attackers**: Celesteela's best known for dealing with Physical Attackers, and it tends to invest its EVs in Physical Defense in order to do so. Even without Super-effective attacks, Celesteela is OHKOed by Powerful Special Attacks from Pokemon such as Primal Kyogre and Palkia.
mention yveltal then pogre, reword the "OHKO" to "is heavily damaged" or something like that.

** Fire Type or Electric-Type coverage**: Although Celesteela might seem like a solid answer to Xerneas and Arceus-Fairy on paper. Arceus Fairy is able to 2HKO Celesteela if it opts to run Fire Blast and Celesteela isn't able to act as a check to Xerneas sets that run Thunder as it takes 63% minimum before it sets up its Geomancy.
make it "electric-type attacks" only, mention thunder from xern/cm groundceus/physical pogre, and give a mention to Arceus Electric and Zekrom.

**Zygarde-C**: Zygarde-C is uphased by Celesteela's Toxic and takes minimal damage from Heavy Slam and is able to 2HKO in return with a Thousand Arrows.
add that subdd varient setup on steela easily, and defensive varient can paralyse steela with glare.

**Hex Users**: Hex users such as Mega Gengar and Giratina-O can shut down Celesteela as they take minimal damage from Heavy Slam if Celesteela is Burned and can 2HKO in return with Hex.
remove.

add a point for trappers (gothitelle then mega gengar), add an other point for substitute setup mons (subsd groundceus, zygarde, mence, pogre).

the order should be: Fire-type attacks > Mega Sableye > Trappers > Special Attackers > Steel-types > Electric-type attacks > Zygarde > Substitute Setup Pokemon

will stamp after you implement this
 

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* Celesteela boasts solid bulk and a brilliant defensive typing, meaning it can act as a solid answer to many common threats in the Ubers Tier, such as Dual Dance Primal Groudon, Arceus-Ground, Arceus-Fairy, Mega Salamence and Dragon Dance Rayquaza.
Celesteela can check any Primal Groudon set lacking a fire move. Change it to "Primal Groudon sets lacking Fire-type STAB"

* Its immunity to Toxic is incredibly useful in the current Ubers metagame, as Toxic is a very common coverage option for many Pokemon in the tier.
Coverage often means you are talking about attacking moves in most sense. It sounds missleading here. Rephrase this sentence and mention that it's a common move carried by most defensive threats and even some offensive threats.

* Despite Celesteela being able to utilise Heavy Slam, Steel-type attacks are quite mediocre offensively, which means that Celesteela has to rely on Leech Seed, Protect Toxic in order to wear down opponents. This can be quite problematic when Celesteela is against Setup sweepers who run Substitute, as Celesteela often unable to break its opponents Substitutes in one hit, and despite its brilliant typing and bulk, since it doesn't have access to reliable recovery, it doesn't appreciate taking boosted hits.
This part looks like you have drizzled too much word here lol, please rewrite this bullet point; it doesn't outline the flaws and celesteela and what becomes a problem due to it.
Celesteela faces problem versus Pokemon that carry Substitute cause:
1) It can't break Substitute with HS (Examples: Because Pogre resists steel, the rest are just bulky)
2) it can't Toxic them
3) It can't Leech Seed for recovery.

As a result, Celesteela becomes a setup fodder.

* Although it only has two weaknesses and Electric-type Pokemon aren't exactly very common or viable in the Ubers tier. Celesteela isn't able to deal with Fire-Type attacks and Electric-Type attacks very well, and has to be careful not to take Fire-type or Electric-Type coverage moves.
This part is irrelevant, remove it. Add examples of threats that carry Fire-type STAB and coverage as well as a few that carry Electric coverage (Hint: Pdon Ho-Oh Rayquaza Xerneas )

The overview should have a point that compares Celesteela and other Steel-types like Magearna, Mega Scizor, Ferrothorn, and Skarmory. Break this into two bullet points if things clutter up too much.
* Celesteela is one of the most heavy Pokemon in the game, and in most cases heavy slam has a Base Power of 120. Stopping it from being completely passive and actually acting as a threat to Pokemon that don't resist Steel-type attacks
Not really true. Against Arceus formes it does 80 and 40 on Giratina-O etc. Ubers is full of heavy Pokemon. Rephrase this and just mention that it's STAB Steel-type attack that can deal a respectable amount to physical threats like DD Ray, Marshadow etc while also dealing a ton of damage to Mega Gengar, thus making harder to trap with it.

Set Details
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* 248 HP and 44 SpD EVs prevents you from being 3HKO'd by Z-Geomancy Xerneas.
* 24 Attack EVs allows you to 3HKO Z-Geomancy in return.
* The remainder of the EVs are placed in Defense and an Impish Nature is set in order for Celesteela to take minimal damage from common physical attackers in the tier, such as Mega-Salamence and Rayquaza.
:thinking: fix this.


There's no point in Usage Tips talking about how to deal with Substitute attackers or what to do when you face them with Celesteela.

Implement these and highlight me. I'll read again and stamp

EDIT:
-moved mmence and sd arc mentions from c&c to usage tips point as they are considered lures, not checks.

QC 2/3
 
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Stoward

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Can't believe I had to type that name in smh

Anyway. Changes that have been made since QC 1/3:

1. Updated overview to state that Celesteela is a solid answer to Primal Groudon's lacking Fire-type moves.
2. Mentioned in overview how Celesteela faces competition from other Steel-type Pokemon
3. Added a specific point about how Celesteela faces competition from Skarmory to avoid the Steel-Type Competition point from being too messy
4. Rephrased the point about how Celesteela dislikes facing setup sweepers that run Substitute
5. Added a point in usage tips about how Celesteela deals with Substitute setup sweepers.
 
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Also a discussion point for QC before 3/3. EV proposal for 248 HP / 104 Atk / 156 Def, in order to have an improved matchup against substitute setup sweepers, as well as other common threats in the tier.
1. VS IMPISH SUB MENCE
* 104 Atk Celesteela Heavy Slam (120 BP) vs. 252 HP / 168+ Def Salamence-Mega: 93-109 (23.6 - 27.6%) -- 77.7% chance to 4HKO
* 0 Atk Aerilate Salamence-Mega Double-Edge vs. 248 HP / 156+ Def Celesteela: 81-96 (20.4 - 24.1%) -- guaranteed 5HKO
2. VS ARCEUS GROUND
* 104 Atk Celesteela Heavy Slam (80 BP) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Arceus-Ground: 84-99 (22 - 25.9%) -- 3.4% chance to 4HKO
* 252 Atk Arceus-Ground Stone Edge vs. 248 HP / 156+ Def Celesteela: 79-94 (19.8 - 23.6%) -- possible 5HKO
3. VS MARSHADOW
* 252 Atk Life Orb Marshadow Close Combat vs. 248 HP / 156+ Def Celesteela: 188-224 (47.3 - 56.4%) -- 29.3% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
* 104 Atk Celesteela Heavy Slam (120 BP) vs. -1 0 HP / 0 Def Marshadow: 262-309 (81.6 - 96.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
4. VS GOTHITELLE
* 104 Atk Celesteela Heavy Slam (120 BP) vs. -1 0 HP / 0 Def Marshadow: 262-309 (81.6 - 96.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO


While some of these calcs might not be game changing. For example, there's quite a low chance for Celesteela to break Arceus Ground's substitute, I'm also yet to find a calc where Celesteela is heavily impacted by this loss in defense. That being said, 252 / 4 / 252 is perfectly acceptable, so I'm not really fussed either way.
 
* Its immunity to Toxic is incredibly useful in the current Ubers metagame, as Toxic is one of the most common moves that are used by plenty of threats in the tier.
This should be moved further down or removed from the overview. Every Steel is capable of this and its not exclusive to Celesteela so it doesn't feel right to be mentioned so explicitly.
* Although Celesteela has brilliant typing, it faces competition from other bulky Steel-type Pokemon in the tier, such as Magearna, Mega Scizor, Ferrothron, Dusk Mane Necrozma, and Skarmory. What tends to set Celesteela apart from these Pokemon is that it provides teams with a Ground immunity - which is crucial in a tier that's dominated by Primal Groudon.
* An especially noteworthy Steel-type competitor for Celesteela is Skarmory, as they share the same typing and tend to check the same Pokemon. However, Skarmory is more passive and mostly just sets hazards and tanks hits, whereas Celesteela is able to also tank hits relatively easily, but also dish out attacks in return with it's 120 Base Power Heavy Slam, which eases its ability to deal with Fairy-types and also means that it's able to take advantage of its ability Beast Boost and gain defense boosts, thus making it even harder to take down.
I'm highlighting all the parts I'm gonna go over here. In general, the way these two points connect is weird, as Skarmory is also a Ground immunity but mentioned along with a category of mons that are not previously.

After seeing this last generation as well, Skarmory comparisons feel pointless to me and only make the overview bigger than it needs to be. Yes, they are physically defensive Steel/Flying types, and check some similar things, but thats where the comparisons end. Celesteela is a tank, Skarmory is a Spikes setting wall. I wouldn't make it a point in Salamence's overview to compare it to Rayquaza, despite their similarities as physical attackers with Dragon/Flying typing. Same idea here. If it takes a lot of wording to properly split the two and talk about what different things they are capable of, maybe they aren't so similar after all! Talk more about what Celesteela is capable of on its own rather than talking about why its different than Skarmory. I don't mind noting Skarmory as a Steel-type it can fight for a team slot for, but its generally Skarmory that has to find a way onto a team over Celesteela anyway, not so much the other way around.

Fire-type coverage is on most Primal Groudon sets in USM, which affects the usage of Arceus-Ground somewhat... which then has a ripple effect on Celesteela's viability, as the 2 mons it beat the most are now either losing matchups or a little rarer. It doesn't beat Zygarde, gets set up on by SD Dusk (but does check SD Ultra... which isn't mentioned anywhere), and is vulnerable to getting trapped by Shadow Tag, which only makes the SM > USM shift worse for it overall.

Heavy Slam isn't 120 BP vs the majority of mons in Ubers, and I see this was already mentioned but not implemented properly. Even against most offensive mons like Yveltal, Xerneas, and Rayquaza, its only 100 BP. Arceus-Fairy? 80 BP. I'd just avoid saying it has a real base power because it varies pretty wildly and reading that its 60 BP vs X and 120 BP vs Y is lame.

Beast Boost also like... never activates in an actual match. It shouldn't be mentioned in the Overview in such a way. Even if Beast Boost activated, that means something just died and the opponent should have a special attacker or something with a favorable matchup ready to force it out. Beast Boost is pretty useless in practice. In general the overview feels fluffy for a bullet point skeleton.

* Celesteela isn't able to deal with Fire-type attacks and Electric-type attacks very well, and has to be careful not to take Fire-type or Electric-Type coverage moves from Pokemon such as Primal Groudon, Ho-Oh, Calm Mind Arceus-Fairy, Mixed Rayquaza, Xerneas, Primal Kyogre and Calm Mind Arceus-Ground.
Primal Groudon and Ho-Oh don't use Fire moves as coverage, they are on like every set. Primal Kyogre only needs to use Thunder if its a physical set. CM Arceus-Fairy with Fire Blast is... possible but not that common. CM Arceus-Ground is rare on its own, never mind with Thunder.

Overall, rethink the overview based on this feedback.

* Celesteela is one of the most heavy Pokemon in the game, and in most cases heavy slam has a Base Power of 120.
wrong - see earlier
* Toxic helps wear down opposing Pokemon
like who
* Bring Celesteela in on Pokemon that it takes very little damage from, such as Arceus-Ground and Fairy, Mega Salamence, Dual Dance Primal Groudon, Necrozma Dusk-Mane, and Lugia.
SD Dusk is capable of 1v1ing Celesteela pretty easily. Support Dusk? Sure, in most cases.
* Use Heavy Slam once your opponents have been worn down, as Celesteela is able to gain a Defense boost if it KOes an opponent with an attacking move.
What if Leech Seed and Toxic are already on the mon? What if they have Mega Sableye or Ferrothorn? I'd say you would wanna double or use Heavy Slam then as well.
* Primal Groudon is an especially useful partner for Celesteela as it is able to set Stealth Rock for Celesteela.
What does SR do for Celesteela specifically?
...as well as hitting all the Steel types that wall Celesteela with Fire or Ground-type coverage, and hit opposing Primal Groudon and Ho-Oh with Precipice Blades and Stone Edge respectively.
SR Groudon isn't gonna be trying to hit other Primal Groudon. SR sets also don't really run Stone Edge. Now if you are describing different sets that can fit with Celesteela, that's fine. But that isn't what's here.

Pursuit should be in team options somewhere. This mon is made completely useless by Gothitelle and I'd argue something to help against that is the first thing Celesteela needs in USM.

Flame Charge can go into OO. Raising its speed is actually useful when trying to stall mons out as you can move first. It works well with Sub + Leech Seed, but going over the entire set isn't necessary.

Electric-type attacks should be last in C&C. They are pretty rare and not as relevant as Zygarde and Substitute users.

There is a lot to fix here so I'm gonna hold off on a stamp until its all changed.
 
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[OVERVIEW]
* Celesteela boasts solid bulk and a brilliant defensive typing, meaning that it can act as a decent answer to many common threats in the Uber tier, such as Arceus-Ground, Arceus-Fairy, Mega Salamence, and Dragon Dance Rayquaza.
* It is able to recover HP very easily with Leftovers, Leech Seed, and Protect, which makes it very hard to wear down and very annoying to try and beat in a one-on-one situation.
* Unlike most common bulky Steel-type Pokemon commonly (repetition) used in the Uber tier such as Ferrothorn, Mega Scizor, Magearna, and support Necrozma-DM, Celesteela also provides teams with a ground immunity, which is a trait that it only shares with Skarmory. However, unlike Skarmory, Celesteela tends to wear down foes with a combination of Leech Seed and Toxic as well as threaten frailer Pokemon with Heavy Slam.
* Celesteela is mostly relatively passive, and is therefore quite easily trapped by Shadow Tag users such as Gothitelle and Mega Gengar. That being said, Mega Gengar does have to be careful when dealing with Celesteela, as it is 2HKOed by Heavy Slam.
* Celesteela is shut down relatively easy by Pokemon in the tier that use utilize Substitute and set up moves, such as Primal Kyogre, Zygarde-C,(AC) and Arceus-Ground, as Pokemon behind a Substitute are immune to Leech Seed and Toxic. Furthermore, many of those Substitute users either resist Steel-type attacks, have enough natural bulk, or they invest enough EVs in Defense so their Substitutes aren't broken by Celesteela's Heavy Slam, thus resulting in Celesteela being setup fodder to these Pokemon.
* Unfortunately, due to the passive nature of Celesteela, it struggles to effectively utilize its ability Beast Boost, as it is quite easily revenge killed by an opposing dedicated check.


[SET]
name: Physical Tank
move 1: Leech Seed
move 2: Heavy Slam
move 3: Toxic
move 4: Protect
item: Leftovers
ability: Beast Boost
nature: Impish
evs: 248 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
===========

* Leech Seed makes it easy for Celesteela to wear down opposing Pokemon, which also helps force switches and provides Celesteela with a means of recovery other than Leftovers.
* Protect is really useful for scouting for super effective coverage moves, determining whether foes are using Choice items, as well as allowing for further recovery and is especially useful when paired with Leech Seed.
* Toxic helps wear down every non Steel-type and or Poison-type Pokemon in the tier and is especially useful as it wears down foes even when they have switched out, but it also eases the process of wearing down process when foes that are in on the battlefield when combined with Leech Seed and Protect.
* Heavy Slam prevents Celesteela from being completely passive, allowing it to do a reasonable amount of damage to foes such as Mega Salamence, Rayquaza, Mega Gengar, Ultra Necrozma, and Mega Diancie.

Set Details
============

* Maximum HP EVs and maximum Defense EVs are set in order for Celesteela to effectively check many common physical threats in the tier, such as Mega Salamence, Arceus-Ground, Marshadow, Rayquaza, and Primal Groudon lacking Fire-type attacks.
* Alternatively,(AC) a set with 104 Attack EVs and only 156 EVs in Defense can be ran to ensure that Heavy Slam breaks Impish Mega Salamence's Substitute over 75% of the time, 2HKO Gothitelle with Heavy Slam + Leech Seed damage after Stealth Rock damage, and OHKO a -1 Defense Marshadow after Stealth Rock damage, but still survive a Close Combat from Life Orb Marshadow with ease. (-1 can refer to anything)

Usage Tips
=============

* Bring Celesteela in on Pokemon that it takes very little damage from, such as Arceus-Ground and Fairy,(AC) Arceus-Fairy, Mega Salamence, Dual Dance Primal Groudon, Support Necrozma-DM, and Lugia.
* Leech Seed is easily Celesteela's most spammable move, as it is able to provide it with recovery and tends to encourage Pokemon to switch out. Try to use this move religiously if you think that your opponent is going to switch their Pokemon, as Celesteela can help wear down Pokemon that would otherwise counter it,(RC) when it's combined with Protect.
* Heavy Slam stops Celesteela from being completely passive and should be used to wear down opponents foes alongside Leech Seed, Toxic,(AC) and Protect, and should be used to either clean off weakened foes that have been worn down by Leech Seed and Toxic, or to deal decent damage to frailer opponents foes such as Deoxys-A, Mega Gengar, Xerneas,(AC) and Mega Diancie. It is also useful for breaking Substitutes from frailer opponents foes,(AC) such as Mega Salamence and Mega Gengar. Heavy Slam is also Celesteela's only way of dealing damage to Mega Sableye and Mega Diancie.
* Spamming Toxic to slowly wear down opponents foes is incredibly useful as it helps make things easier for other members of the team to KO opponents foes, as well as put pressure on clerics such as Choice Scarf Xerneas, which is the most common cleric in on offensive builds and Celesteela is able to deal with it quite easily.
* Use Protect in order to scout for coverage moves from Primal Groudon, Calm Mind Arceus formes, and Choice-locked Pokemon such as Yveltal, Ho-Oh, and Xerneas.
* Celesteela has to be careful not to take Fire-type or Electric-type attacks from common threats such as Primal Groudon, Ho-Oh, Xerneas, Mixed Rayquaza, Mixed Primal Kyogre, and Naganadel.
* Celesteela also tends not to be able to afford to run any EVs in Special Defense if it wishes to effectively act as a physical tank, so it should avoid taking any damage from common Special attackers such as Yveltal, Primal Kyogre, Lunala, and Naganadel.
* Although Celesteela is a complete deadweight against Gothitelle, it is possible for it to deal with Mega Gengar, as it 2HKOes it with Heavy Slam,(AC) and is able to potentially deal with more aggressive variants if it predicts correctly when Mega-(RH)Gengar clicks Taunt and Destiny Bond.
* Avoid matchups against setup sweepers with Substitute, as Pokemon are immune to Leech Seed and Toxic when behind a Substitute. Primal Kyogre and Zygarde-C are especially noteworthy examples, as even when Celesteela invests EVs into Attack, Heavy Slam still fails to break their Substitutes.

Team Options
========

* Celesteela is known for being a defensive wall that is much better at taking hits, rather than dishing them out. Therefore, it tends to fit well on teams of a similar nature.
* Pursuit users such as Marshadow and Tyranitar are nice partners for Celesteela, as they are able to trap and remove the two main Shadow Tag users in the tier, Gothitelle and Mega Gengar. It should be noted though that Marshadow doesn't appreciate taking Ghost-type attacks from Mega Gengar and Tyranitar dislikes facing Mega Gengar variants with Focus Blast.
* Many different variants of Primal Groudon make useful partners for Celesteela. The Defensive Support set is able to set Stealth Rock for Celesteela, which punishes just about every viable Pokemon in the tier when they switch in, ultimately making it easier for Celesteela to wear down opponents. It can also quite easily deal with Power Herb Xerneas and SD Necrozma-DM as well as other Steel-types such as Ferrothorn, Mega Lucario, and Dialga. Defensive Support Primal Groudon also provides the team with a potential switch-in to Primal Kyogre, which is only really annoyed by Leech Seed and Toxic. Mixed Rock Polish is able to take care of Zygarde before it reaches its complete forme with Hidden Power Ice, and variants with Rock-type coverage are able to KO Ho-Oh, which otherwise 2HKOes Celesteela with Sacred Fire. (Primal Groudon doesn't prevent Ho-Oh from 2HKOing Celesteela)
* Primal Kyogre is also useful as its ability makes it immune to Fire-type attacks and it threatens Primal Groudon and Ho-Oh with powerful Water-type attacks.
* Arceus-Water is a useful partner as it is able to remove Stealth Rock for Celesteela with Defog, as well as acting for a as a reasonable check to Ho-Oh and Primal Groudon.
* Arceus-Ground is also able to remove Stealth Rock for Celesteela with Defog, deal with Primal Groudon, as well as Mega Lucario, Zygarde-C,(AC) and also Necrozma-DM to an extent.
* Zygarde-C is a brilliant partner both offensively and defensively, as it is able to deal with Pokemon that threaten Celesteela such as Mega Lucario, Primal Groudon, and Ho-Oh. Zygarde-C also appreciates the fact that Celesteela can threaten many of the Pokemon that Zygarde-Complete dislikes dealing with, such as Arceus-Fairy,(AC) and Arceus-Ground,(AC) and Choice Scarf Xerneas.
* Yveltal also pairs well with Celesteela as it pressures the Pokemon that like to deal with Celesteela by trapping it, such as Gothitelle and Mega Gengar. It also appreciates Celesteela’s ability to wear down Pokemon, which eases up Yveltal's ability to wallbreak.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============

* Fire Blast or Flamethrower can be useful for dealing with opposing Steel-types, which is especially useful as it also prevents you Celesteela from being setup fodder for Mega-(RH)Lucario and Ferrothorn. However, Celesteela can't really afford to sacrifice anything in its move-(RH)set in order to run Fire-type coverage
* Substitute can be useful in place of Toxic as you can PP stall out super effective moves such as Ho-Oh's Sacred Fire. However, Toxic is much more useful for wearing down your opponents, and Celesteela will be able to more efficiently recover, as it's not taking 25% of it's HP from Substitute.
* Flame Charge can be used to boost Celesteela's Speed by one stage and can be useful when combined with Substitute as you're able to quickly set up a Substitute without having to take damage beforehand.

Checks and Counters
===================

**Fire-types Attacks**: Fire-type Pokemon such as Ho-Oh and Primal Groudon are both unfazed by Celesteela's attacks and are both able to deal heavy amounts of damage with Fire-type attacks. Celesteela also doesn’t appreciate having to deal with Fire-type coverage moves, notable examples of these are Calm Mind Arceus-Fairy, Naganadel,(AC) and Rayquaza.

**Mega Sableye**: Mega Sableye can bounce back Leech Seeds and Toxic and can easily recover off any damage from Heavy Slam.

**Shadow Tag Trappers**: Pokemon with the ability Shadow Tag such as Gothitelle and Mega Gengar are able to prevent Celesteela from switching and are either able to KO it by recovering off all damage done from its attacks and PP stalling it out of PP,(AC) or by forcing 50/50s and KOing it,(AC) or trading kills with Destiny Bond.

**Special Attackers**: Celesteela's is best known for dealing with Physical attackers, and it tends to invest its EVs in Physical Defense in order to do so. Even without super effective attacks, Celesteela takes heavy damage by from powerful special attacks from Pokemon such as Yveltal, Primal Kyogre,(AC) and Palkia.

**Steel-types**: Steel-type Pokemon are immune to Toxic and take minimal damage from Heavy Slam. Ferrothorn is an especially notable example since it's immune to Leech Seed, but can set its own Leech Seed back, and proceed to just set up hazards in front of Celesteela. Mega Lucario is able to set up and then OHKO with a +2 Close Combat, Necrozma-DM is only really fazed by Leech Seed, and therefore is able to freely set up against Celesteela, and Dialga is able to 2HKO Celesteela if it runs Fire Blast.

**Zygarde-Complete**: All variants of Zygarde-C are rather unfazed by any of Celesteelas attacks. The RestTalk variants are able to recover off any damage that Celesteela dishes out and 3HKO it with Thousand Arrows. Substitute + Dragon Dance variants basically get a free Substitute vs against Celesteela, and are able to set up easily since Heavy Slam doesn’t break Zygarde-C's Substitute.

**Substitute Setup Sweepers**: Substitute is often problematic for Celesteela as in many cases, Heavy Slam doesn’t quite do enough damage to break the opponent’s Substitute, which then allows it free setup these Pokemon to set up for free. Notable examples of these are Primal Kyogre, and Zygarde-C.

**Electric-type Attacks**: Although Electric-type Pokemon are a rare sight and not considered to be very viable. Celesteela dislikes taking Electric-type attacks. Most notable examples of these are Thunder from Xerneas, Calm Mind Arceus-Ground,(AC) and Primal Kyogre. Zekrom and Arceus-Electric still get to be mentioned here, since they are able to deal heavy amounts of damage with their STAB attacks and they are in the Uber tier by default.
 

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[OVERVIEW]
* Celesteela boasts solid bulk and a brilliant defensive typing, meaning that it can act as a decent answer to many common threats in the Uber tier, such as Arceus-Ground, Arceus-Fairy, Mega Salamence, and Dragon Dance Rayquaza.
* It is able to recover HP very easily with Leftovers, Leech Seed, and Protect, which makes it very hard to wear down and very annoying to try and beat in a one-on-one situation.
* Unlike most common bulky Steel-type Pokemon used in the Uber tier such as Ferrothorn, Mega Scizor, Magearna, and support Necrozma-DM, Celesteela also provides teams its team with a Ground immunity, which is a trait that it only shares with Skarmory. However, unlike Skarmory, Celesteela tends to wear down foes with a combination of Leech Seed and Toxic as well as threaten frailer Pokemon with Heavy Slam.
* Celesteela is relatively passive,(RC) and is therefore quite easily trapped by Shadow Tag users such as Gothitelle and Mega Gengar. That being said, Mega Gengar does have to be careful when dealing with Celesteela, as it is 2HKOed by Heavy Slam.
* Celesteela is shut down relatively easy easily by Pokemon in the tier that utilize Substitute and set up setup moves, such as Primal Kyogre, Zygarde-C,(AC) (keep comma remove "(AC)") and Arceus-Ground, as Pokemon behind a Substitute are immune to Leech Seed and Toxic. Furthermore, many of those the aforementioned Substitute users either resist Steel-type attacks, have enough natural bulk, or invest enough EVs in Defense so their Substitutes aren't Substitute isn't broken by Celesteela's Heavy Slam, resulting in Celesteela being setup fodder to these Pokemon.
* Unfortunately, due to the passive nature of Celesteela, it struggles to effectively utilize its ability Beast Boost, as it is quite easily revenge killed by an opposing dedicated check.


[SET]
name: Physical TankPhysically Defensive (The term "tank" in Pokemon implies having a mix of high bulk and power, like an "offensive wall" of sorts. Think bruisers in MOBAs (as opposed to full tanks and assassins). Something like Ho-Oh or Assault Vest Tapu Bulu is a tank)
move 1: Leech Seed
move 2: Heavy Slam
move 3: Toxic
move 4: Protect
item: Leftovers
ability: Beast Boost
nature: Impish
evs: 248 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
===========

* Leech Seed makes it easy for Celesteela to wear down opposing Pokemon, which also helps force switches,(AC) and provides Celesteela with a means of recovery other than Leftovers.
* Protect is really useful for scouting for super effective coverage moves, determining whether if foes are using Choice-(AH)items, as well as and allowing for further recovery and is especially useful when paired with Leech Seed.
* Toxic helps wear down every non Steel-type non-Steel- or Poison-type Pokemon in the tier and is especially useful as it wears down foes even when they have switched out, but it also eases (this doesn't need to be mentioned) for easing the process of wearing down foes that are on the battlefield when combined with Leech Seed and Protect.
* Heavy Slam prevents Celesteela from being completely passive, allowing it to do a reasonable amount of damage to foes such as Mega Salamence, Rayquaza, Mega Gengar, Ultra Necrozma, and Mega Diancie.

Set Details
============

* Maximum HP EVs and maximum Defense EVs are set in order for Celesteela to effectively check many common physical threats in the tier, such as Mega Salamence, Arceus-Ground, Marshadow, Rayquaza, and Primal Groudon lacking Fire-type attacks.
* Alternatively, a set with 104 Attack EVs and only 156 Defense EVs in Defense can be ran to ensure that Heavy Slam breaks Impish Mega Salamence's Substitute over 75% of the time, 2HKOes Gothitelle with Heavy Slam + Leech Seed damage after Leech Seed and Stealth Rock damage, and OHKOes a -1 Defense Marshadow after Stealth Rock damage,(RC) but while still survive a surviving Close Combat from Life Orb Marshadow with ease.

Usage Tips
=============

* Bring Celesteela in on Pokemon that it takes very little damage from, such as Arceus-Ground, Arceus-Fairy, Mega Salamence, Dual Double Dance Primal Groudon, support Necrozma-DM, and Lugia.
* Leech Seed is easily Celesteela's most spammable move, as it is able to provides it with recovery and tends to encourage Pokemon to switch out. Try to use this move religiously liberally if you think that your opponent is going to switch their Pokemon, as Celesteela can help wear down Pokemon that would otherwise counter it when it's combinedwith Leech Seed + Protect.
* Heavy Slam stops Celesteela from being completely passive and should be used to wear down foes alongside Leech Seed, Toxic, and Protect, and should be used to either clean pick off weakened foes that have been worn down by Leech Seed and Toxic, or to and deal decent damage to frailer foes such as Deoxys-A, Mega Gengar, Xerneas, and Mega Diancie. It is also useful for breaking Substitutes Substitute from frailer foes, such as Mega Salamence and Mega Gengar. Heavy Slam is also Celesteela's only way of dealing damage to Mega Sableye and Mega Diancie.
* Spamming Toxic to slowly wear down foes is incredibly useful,(AC) as it this helps make things easier for other members of the team teammates to KO foes,(RC) as well as them and puts pressure on clerics such as Choice Scarf Xerneas, which is the most common cleric on offensive builds and dealt with by Celesteela is able to deal with it quite easily.
* Use Protect in order to scout for coverage moves from Primal Groudon, Calm Mind Arceus formes, and Choice-locked Pokemon such as Yveltal, Ho-Oh, and Xerneas.
* Celesteela has to be careful not to not take Fire-type Fire- or Electric-type attacks from common threats such as Primal Groudon, Ho-Oh, Xerneas, mixed Rayquaza, mixed Primal Kyogre, and Naganadel.
* Celesteela also tends not to not be able to afford to run any EVs in Special Defense if it wishes to effectively act as a physical tankwall, so it should avoid taking any damage from common special attackers such as Yveltal, Primal Kyogre, Lunala, and Naganadel.
* Although Celesteela is a complete deadweight against Gothitelle, it is possible for it to deal with Mega Gengar, as it 2HKOes it Mega Gengar with Heavy Slam,(RC) and is able to potentially deal with more aggressive variants if it correctly predicts correctly when Mega Gengar clicks uses Taunt and Destiny Bond.
* Avoid matchups against setup sweepers with Substitute, as Pokemon are immune to Leech Seed and Toxic when behind a Substitute. Primal Kyogre and Zygarde-C are especially noteworthy examples, as even when Celesteela invests EVs into Attack, Heavy Slam still fails to break their SubstitutesSubstitute.

Team Options
========

* Celesteela is known for being a defensive wall that is much better at taking hits, rather than dishing them out. Therefore, it tends to fit well on teams of a similar nature.
* Pursuit users such as Marshadow and Tyranitar are nice partners for Celesteela, as they are able to trap and remove the two main Shadow Tag users in the tier, Gothitelle and Mega Gengar. It should be noted though that Marshadow doesn't appreciate taking Ghost-type attacks from Mega Gengar and Tyranitar dislikes facing Mega Gengar variants with Focus Blast.
* Many different variants of Primal Groudon make useful partners for Celesteela. The defensive Support set is able to set Stealth Rock for Celesteela, which punishes just about every viable Pokemon in the tier when they switch in, ultimately making it easier for Celesteela to wear down opponents foes. It Primal Groudon (assuming this is about Primal Groudon)can also quite easily deal with Power Herb Xerneas and Swords Dance Necrozma-DM as well as other Steel-types such as Ferrothorn, Mega Lucario, and Dialga. Defensive Support Primal Groudon also provides the team with a potential switch-in to Primal Kyogre, which is only really annoyed by Leech Seed and Toxic. Mixed Rock Polish Primal Groudon is able to take care of Zygarde before it reaches its complete forme transforms into Zygarde-C with Hidden Power Ice, and variants with Rock-type coverage are able to KO Ho-Oh, which otherwise 2HKOes Celesteela with Sacred Fire.
* Primal Kyogre is also useful,(AC) as its ability makes it immune to Fire-type attacks and it threatens Primal Groudon and Ho-Oh with powerful Water-type attacks.
* Arceus-Water is a useful partner as it is able to remove Stealth Rock for Celesteela with Defog, as well as acting as a reasonable check to Ho-Oh and Primal Groudon.
* Arceus-Ground is also able to remove Stealth Rock for Celesteela with Defog,(RC) and deal with Primal Groudon, as well as Mega Lucario, Zygarde-C, and also Necrozma-DM to an extent.
* Zygarde-C is a brilliant partner both offensively and defensively, as it is able to deal with Pokemon that threaten Celesteela such as Mega Lucario, Primal Groudon, and Ho-Oh. Zygarde-C also appreciates the fact that Celesteela can threaten many of the Pokemon that Zygarde-Completeit dislikes dealing with, such as Arceus-Fairy, Arceus-Ground, and Choice Scarf Xerneas.
* Yveltal also pairs well with Celesteela,(AC) as it pressures Pokemon that like to deal with Celesteela by trapping it,(RC) trappers such as Gothitelle and Mega Gengar. It also appreciates Celesteela’s Celesteela's ability to wear down Pokemon, which eases up Yveltal's ability to wallbreaking.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============

* Fire Blast or Flamethrower can be useful for dealing with opposing Steel-types,(RC) which is especially useful as it also prevents and preventing Celesteela from being setup fodder for Mega Lucario and Ferrothorn. However, Celesteela can't really afford to sacrifice anything in its moveset in order to run Fire-type coverage
* Substitute can be useful in place of Toxic,(AC) as you Celesteela can PP stall out super effective moves such as Ho-Oh's Sacred Fire. However, Toxic is much more useful for wearing down your opponentsfoes, and having Toxic means Celesteela will be able to more efficiently recover,(RC) as it's not taking 25% of it's HP,(AC) as it isn't losing any health from using Substitute.
* Flame Charge can be used to boost Celesteela's Speed by one stage and can be useful when combined with Substitute,(AC) as you're Celesteela is able to quickly set up a Substitute without having to take damage beforehand.

Checks and Counters
===================

**Fire-types Fire-type Attacks**: Fire-type Pokemon such as Ho-Oh and Primal Groudon are both unfazed by Celesteela's attacks and are both able to deal heavy amounts of damage with Fire-type attacks. Celesteela also doesn’t doesn't (fixed the apostrophe. Same with some of the other changes) appreciate having to deal with Fire-type coverage moves,(RC) notable examples of these are from Pokemon like Calm Mind Arceus-Fairy, Naganadel, and Rayquaza.

**Mega Sableye**: Mega Sableye can bounce back Leech Seed and Toxic and can easily recover off any damage from Heavy Slam.

**Shadow Tag Trappers**: Pokemon with the ability Shadow Tag such as Gothitelle and Mega Gengar are able to prevent Celesteela from switching out and are either able to KO it by either recovering off all damage done from its attacks and PP stalling it out of PP, or by forcing 50/50s predictions and KOing it, or trading KOs with Destiny Bond.

**Special Attackers**: Celesteela is best known for dealing with Physical attackers,(RC) and it tends to invest its EVs in Physical Defense in order to do sodeal with physical attackers. Even without super effective attacks, Celesteela takes heavy damage from powerful special attacks from Pokemon such as Yveltal, Primal Kyogre, and Palkia.

**Steel-types**: Steel-type Pokemon are immune to Toxic and take minimal damage from Heavy Slam. Ferrothorn is an especially notable example,(AC) since it's immune to Leech Seed, but can set its own Leech Seed back, and can proceed to just set up hazards in front of Celesteela. Mega Lucario is able to set up and then OHKO with a +2 Close Combat, Necrozma-DM is only really fazed by Leech Seed,(RC) and therefore is able to freely set up against Celesteela, and Dialga is able to 2HKO Celesteela if it runs Fire Blast.

**Zygarde-CompleteZygarde-C**: All variants of Zygarde-C are rather unfazed by any of Celesteelas Celesteela's attacks. The RestTalk variants are able to recover off any damage that Celesteela dishes out and 3HKO it with Thousand Arrows. Substitute + Dragon Dance variants get a free Substitute against Celesteela,(RC) and are able to set up easily,(AC) since Heavy Slam doesn’t doesn't break Zygarde-C's Substitute.

**Substitute Setup SweepersUsers**: Substitute is often problematic for Celesteela,(AC) as in many cases, Heavy Slam doesn’t quite doesn't do enough damage to break the opponent’s foe's Substitute, which then allows these Pokemon like Primal Kyogre and Zygarde-C to set up for free. Notable examples of these are Primal Kyogre, and Zygarde-C.

**Electric-type Attacks**: Although Electric-type Pokemon are a rare sight and not considered to be very viable. Celesteela dislikes taking Electric-type attacks. Most notable examples of these are Thunder from Xerneas, Calm Mind Arceus-Ground, and Primal Kyogre. Zekrom and Arceus-Electric still get to be mentioned here,(RC) since they are able to deal heavy amounts of damage with their STAB attacks and they are in the Uber tier by default.Although Electric-type Pokemon are rare and not considered to be very viable, Zekrom and Arceus-Electric are able to deal heavy amounts of damage with their STAB attacks. Celesteela also dislikes taking Electric-type attacks from other Pokemon, such as Thunder from Xerneas, Calm Mind Arceus-Ground, and Primal Kyogre.
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[OVERVIEW]
* Celesteela boasts solid bulk and a brilliant defensive typing, meaning that it can act as a decent answer to many common threats in the tier, such as Arceus-Ground, Arceus-Fairy, Mega Salamence, and Dragon Dance Rayquaza.
* It is able to recover HP very easily with Leftovers, Leech Seed, and Protect, which makes it very hard to wear down and very annoying to beat in a one-on-one situation.
* Unlike most common bulky Steel-type Pokemon used in the tier such as Ferrothorn, Mega Scizor, Magearna, and support Necrozma-DM, Celesteela also provides its team with a Ground immunity an immunity to Ground-type attacks, which is a trait that it only shares with Skarmory. However, unlike Skarmory, Celesteela tends to wear down foes with a combination of Leech Seed and Toxic as well as threaten frailer Pokemon with Heavy Slam.
* Celesteela is relatively passive, and it is therefore quite easily trapped by Shadow Tag users such as Gothitelle and Mega Gengar. That being said, Mega Gengar does have to be careful when dealing with Celesteela, as it is 2HKOed by Heavy Slam.
* Celesteela is shut down relatively easily by Pokemon that utilize Substitute and setup moves, such as Primal Kyogre, Zygarde-C, and Arceus-Ground, as Pokemon behind a Substitute are immune to Leech Seed and Toxic. Furthermore, many of the aforementioned Substitute users either resist Steel-type attacks, have enough natural bulk, or invest enough EVs in Defense so their Substitute isn't broken by Celesteela's Heavy Slam, resulting in Celesteela being setup fodder to these Pokemon. can avoid having their Substitute broken by Heavy Slam by resisting Steel-type attacks, having enough natural bulk, or investing enough EVs in Defense. This causes Celesteela to become setup fodder for these Pokemon.
* Unfortunately, due to the passive nature of Celesteela, it struggles to effectively utilize its ability Beast Boost, as it is quite easily revenge killed by an opposing dedicated check.


[SET]
name: Physically Defensive
move 1: Leech Seed
move 2: Heavy Slam
move 3: Toxic
move 4: Protect
item: Leftovers
ability: Beast Boost
nature: Impish
evs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 Def

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
===========

* Leech Seed makes it easy for Celesteela to wear down opposing Pokemon, helps force switches, and provides Celesteela with a means of recovery other than Leftovers.
* Protect is really useful for scouting for super effective coverage moves, determining if foes are using Choice-items, and allowing for further recovery, (AC, delete this bit after implementing) and it is especially useful when paired with Leech Seed.
* Toxic helps wear down every non-Steel- or Poison-type Pokemon in the tier and is especially useful for easing the process of wearing down foes when combined with Leech Seed and Protect.
* Heavy Slam prevents Celesteela from being completely passive, allowing it to do a reasonable amount of damage to foes such as Mega Salamence, Rayquaza, Mega Gengar, Ultra Necrozma, and Mega Diancie.

Set Details
============

* Maximum HP and Defense EVs are set in order for Celesteela to effectively check many common physical threats in the tier, such as Mega Salamence, Arceus-Ground, Marshadow, Rayquaza, and Primal Groudon lacking Fire-type attacks.
* Alternatively, a set with 104 Attack EVs and 156 Defense EVs can be ran used to ensure that Heavy Slam breaks Impish Mega Salamence's Substitute over 75% of the time, 2HKOes Gothitelle after Leech Seed and Stealth Rock damage, and OHKOes a -1 Defense Marshadow after Stealth Rock damage while still surviving Close Combat from Life Orb Marshadow with ease.

Usage Tips
=============

* Bring Celesteela in on Pokemon that it takes very little damage from, such as Arceus-Ground, Arceus-Fairy, Mega Salamence, Double Dance Primal Groudon, support Necrozma-DM, and Lugia.
* Leech Seed is easily Celesteela's most spammable move, as it provides recovery and tends to encourage Pokemon to switch out. Try to use this move liberally if you think that your opponent is going to switch their Pokemon, as Celesteela can help wear down Pokemon that would otherwise counter it with Leech Seed + Protect.
* Heavy Slam stops Celesteela from being completely passive and should be used to wear down foes alongside Leech Seed, Toxic, and Protect, pick off weakened foes that have been worn down, and deal decent damage to frailer foes such as Deoxys-A, Mega Gengar, Xerneas, and Mega Diancie. It is also useful for breaking Substitute from frailer foes, such as Mega Salamence and Mega Gengar. Heavy Slam is also Celesteela's only way of dealing damage to Mega Sableye and Mega Diancie.
* Spamming Toxic to slowly wear down foes is incredibly useful,(AC) as this helps make things easier for other teammates to KO them and puts pressure on clerics such as Choice Scarf Xerneas, which is the most common cleric on offensive builds and dealt with by Celesteela quite easily.
* Use Protect in order to scout for coverage moves from Primal Groudon, Calm Mind Arceus formes, and Choice-locked Pokemon such as Yveltal, Ho-Oh, and Xerneas.
* Celesteela has to be careful to not take Fire- or Electric-type attacks from common threats such as Primal Groudon, Ho-Oh, Xerneas, mixed Rayquaza, mixed Primal Kyogre, and Naganadel.
* Celesteela also tends to not run any EVs in Special Defense if it wishes to effectively act as a physical wall, so it should avoid taking any damage from common special attackers such as Yveltal, Primal Kyogre, Lunala, and Naganadel.
* Although Celesteela is a complete deadweight against Gothitelle, it is possible for it to deal with Mega Gengar, as it 2HKOes Mega Gengar with Heavy Slam and is able to potentially deal with more aggressive variants if it correctly predicts when Mega Gengar uses Taunt and Destiny Bond.
* Avoid matchups staying in against setup sweepers with Substitute, as Pokemon are immune to Leech Seed and Toxic when behind a Substitute. Primal Kyogre and Zygarde-C are especially noteworthy examples, as even when Celesteela invests EVs into Attack, Heavy Slam still fails to break their Substitute.

Team Options
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* Celesteela is a defensive wall that is much better at taking hits, rather than dishing them out. Therefore, it tends to fit well on teams of a similar nature.
* Pursuit users such as Marshadow and Tyranitar are nice partners for Celesteela, as they are able to trap and remove the two main Shadow Tag users in the tier, Gothitelle and Mega Gengar. It should be noted that Marshadow doesn't appreciate taking Ghost-type attacks from Mega Gengar and Tyranitar dislikes facing Mega Gengar variants with Focus Blast.
* Many different variants of Primal Groudon make useful partners for Celesteela. The defensive set is able to set Stealth Rock for Celesteela, which punishes just about every viable Pokemon in the tier when they switch in, ultimately making it easier for Celesteela to wear down foes. Primal Groudon can also quite easily deal with Power Herb Xerneas and Swords Dance Necrozma-DM as well as other Steel-types such as Ferrothorn, Mega Lucario, and Dialga. Defensive Primal Groudon also provides the team with a potential switch-in to Primal Kyogre, which is only really annoyed by Leech Seed and Toxic. Mixed Rock Polish Primal Groudon is able to take care of Zygarde before it transforms into Zygarde-C with Hidden Power Ice, and variants with Rock-type coverage are able to KO Ho-Oh, which otherwise 2HKOes Celesteela with Sacred Fire.
* Primal Kyogre is useful, as its ability makes it immune to Fire-type attacks and it threatens Primal Groudon and Ho-Oh with powerful Water-type attacks.
* Arceus-Water is able to remove Stealth Rock for Celesteela with Defog, as well as acting as a reasonable check to Ho-Oh and Primal Groudon.
* Arceus-Ground is also able to remove Stealth Rock for Celesteela with Defog and deal with Primal Groudon, as well as Mega Lucario, Zygarde-C, and Necrozma-DM to an extent.
* Zygarde-C is a brilliant partner both offensively and defensively, as it is able to deal with Pokemon that threaten Celesteela such as Mega Lucario, Primal Groudon, and Ho-Oh. Zygarde-C also appreciates the fact that Celesteela can threaten many of the Pokemon it dislikes dealing with, such as Arceus-Fairy, Arceus-Ground, and Choice Scarf Xerneas.
* Yveltal also pairs well with Celesteela, as it pressures trappers such as Gothitelle and Mega Gengar. It also appreciates Celesteela's ability to wear down Pokemon, which eases Yveltal's wallbreaking.

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* Fire Blast or Flamethrower can be useful for dealing with opposing Steel-types and preventing Celesteela from being setup fodder for Mega Lucario and Ferrothorn. However, Celesteela can't really afford to sacrifice anything in its moveset in order to run Fire-type coverage. (Add period)
* Substitute can be useful in place of Toxic,(AC) as Celesteela can PP stall super effective moves such as Ho-Oh's Sacred Fire. However, Toxic is much more useful for wearing down foes, and having Toxic means Celesteela will be able to more efficiently recover, (RC) HP,(AC) as it isn't losing any health from using Substitute.
* Flame Charge can be used to boost Celesteela's Speed by one stage and can be useful when combined with Substitute,(AC) as Celesteela is able to quickly set up a Substitute without having to take damage beforehand.

Checks and Counters
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**Fire-type Attacks**: Fire-type Pokemon such as Ho-Oh and Primal Groudon are both unfazed by Celesteela's attacks and are able to deal heavy amounts of damage with Fire-type attacks. Celesteela also doesn't appreciate having to deal with Fire-type coverage moves from Pokemon like Calm Mind Arceus-Fairy, Naganadel, and Rayquaza, and Calm Mind Arceus-Fairy.

**Mega Sableye**: Mega Sableye can bounce back Leech Seed and Toxic and easily recover off any damage from Heavy Slam.

**Shadow Tag Trappers**: Pokemon with the ability Shadow Tag such as Gothitelle and Mega Gengar are able to prevent Celesteela from switching out and are able to KO it by either recovering off all damage done from its attacks and PP stalling it forcing predictions and KOing it, or trading KOs with Destiny Bond. Pokemon with Shadow Tag such as Gothitelle and Mega Gengar are able to trap Celesteela. Gothitelle is able to recover the damage dealt by Celesteela and PP stall it thanks to Rest, and Mega Gengar can cause a trade with Taunt + Destiny Bond.

**Special Attackers**: Celesteela tends to invest its EVs in Defense in order to deal with physical attackers. Even without super effective attacks, Celesteela takes heavy damage from powerful It takes heavy damage from neutral special attacks from Pokemon such as Yveltal, Primal Kyogre, and Palkia.

**Steel-types**: Steel-type Pokemon are immune to Toxic and take minimal damage from Heavy Slam. Ferrothorn is an especially notable example, since it's it is immune to Leech Seed, can set its own Leech Seed back, and can proceed to just set up hazards in front of Celesteela. Mega Lucario is able to set up and then OHKO Celesteela with +2 Close Combat,. (Remove comma add period) Necrozma-DM is only really fazed by Leech Seed, and therefore it is able to freely set up against Celesteela, (RC) and. (Add period) Dialga is able to 2HKO Celesteela if it runs Fire Blast.

**Zygarde-C**: All variants of Zygarde-C are rather unfazed by any of Celesteela's attacks. RestTalk variants are able to recover off any damage that Celesteela dishes out and 3HKO it with Thousand Arrows. Substitute + Dragon Dance variants get a free Substitute against Celesteela, (RC) and are able to set up easily,(AC) since Heavy Slam doesn't break Zygarde-C's Substitute.

**Substitute Users**: Substitute is users are often problematic for Celesteela,(AC) as in many cases, Heavy Slam doesn't do enough damage to break the foe's Substitute, which then allows Pokemon like Primal Kyogre and Zygarde-C to set up for free.

**Electric-type Attacks**: Although Electric-type Pokemon are rare and not considered to be very viable, Zekrom and Arceus-Electric are able to deal heavy amounts of damage to Celesteela with their STAB attacks. Celesteela also dislikes taking Electric-type attacks from other Pokemon, such as Thunder from Xerneas, Calm Mind Arceus-Ground, and Primal Kyogre.

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